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Old 10-23-2007, 02:54 AM   #61
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Colts win. Peyton>Brady. Take that Kornheiser.
Uhno.

Peyton is awesome though. He's a brilliant QB. I love Jason Campbell, and I think he has tons of potential, but if Snyder got high enough and signed Manning, I'd accept him with open arms.
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Old 10-23-2007, 05:43 AM   #62
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Oh damn, the Colts/Pats game is on the same time as my first exam.

I was going to look into watching it online.
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Oh damn, the Colts/Pats game is on the same time as my first exam.

I was going to look into watching it online.
Sounds to me like you feel a stomach virus coming on...

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Colts win. Peyton>Brady. Take that Kornheiser.
i'm not a peyton hater by any stretch. i think the guy's amazing, and i believe that when it's all said and done we're going to look back on this period of time with awe because we just might be watching the two greatest quarterbacks of all time (which is debatable, of course).

but brady's better. he's never had the weapons manning has and has always had more success team wise, just not the stats. now he has weapons and look what he's doing. he's shattering peyton's marks. to say that peyton is second to tom brady is not an insult.
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wait...did I just agree with you headache?
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Thank you, Brady has always been cool under pressure and an excellent leader on an under dog offense, now he has the team to back him up, and looks better not only while watching him but the stats on paper too. The Pats have had a well coached offense for these years but no stellar talent, their defense is what carried them.
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I guess we'll just have to wait for the colts vs. the pats.
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Thank you, Brady has always been cool under pressure and an excellent leader on an under dog offense, now he has the team to back him up, and looks better not only while watching him but the stats on paper too. The Pats have had a well coached offense for these years but no stellar talent, their defense is what carried them.
Wait...you mean Reche Caldwell wasn't stellar talent?
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Tom Brady's just unbelievable. I'm actually not that bitter about Philly losing the Super Bowl just because of him.

But I'm still bitter. :shakesfistatmcnabbandreid:
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he's never had the weapons manning has and has always had more success team wise, just not the stats. now he has weapons and look what he's doing. he's shattering peyton's marks. to say that peyton is second to tom brady is not an insult.

Brady gets the job done. Brady's defense has always gotten the job done - which makes Brady's team overall better...but it doesn't make Brady better.

I like Tom Brady...but I think Manning has a better "football mind" than Brady. They have both had excellent teams surrounding them for most of their career. In my eyes, the Patriots were a team on the verge of greatness when he took over. Manning had a team built around him and suffered through a few bad seasons before performing well as a team.

If you take them both and put them in a BAD organization, I feel Peyton would succeed over Brady. Hopefully NEITHER of them have to go through that though.
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Thank you, Brady has always been cool under pressure and an excellent leader on an under dog offense, now he has the team to back him up, and looks better not only while watching him but the stats on paper too. The Pats have had a well coached offense for these years but no stellar talent, their defense is what carried them.
Under dog? No stellar talent?

You DO NOT win THREE Super Bowls as an underdog with no stellar talent.

Because these guys were not "stellar"

Caldwell (one "bad" game against the Colts)
Kevin Faulk
Deion Branch
Corey Dillon
Laurence Maroney



I know a lot of teams that would not mind having this "not so stellar" lineup.
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^ I would say that prior to Randy Moss, and outside of Brady, the Patriots offense had no "superstar" talent.

The offense basically consisted of good to great players who bought into the team concept and who, as a unit, worked like a well-oiled machine. Take one of those players mentioned in the previous post and put them on another team and they wouldn't be as effective, whereas put Moss( his two seasons in Oakland notwithstanding) and Brady on another team and they have the ability to change the entire complexion of a game.
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Corey Dillon had a GREAT career with the Bengals before coming to the Pats. Check his stats.

Deion Branch had a GREAT first season with the Seahawks, and is on track to have an equally as good season. These players succeeded in the Pats system, and have done the same in other systems. Caldwell will succeed when he finally plays. Maroney WOULD be a star on any other team.

Yes...Randy is a superstar, but do not discount players that had enough talent to bring home three super bowl trophies with a comment like "no stellar talent."
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Well, I wasn't the one that used the comment "no stellar talent."

In my view stats aren't everything. My point was that while someone like Branch is and has had a good season with the Seahawks he isn't what you would call a "gamebreaker". That's all.

They're all great players, I agree, but they don't have the name recognition that a Brady or Moss have. But I guess that's just the way Bellichick wants it; no player should be above the team.
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Well, I wasn't the one that used the comment "no stellar talent."

You continue to defend it though!


My point: they were/are stellar players. The Pats had a "game breaker" in Brady (or are you minimalizing him?). And, they had a lot of stellar talent that would play as a team and win championships.

Is a game breaker like Randy needed? Although I felt differently, many thought that Randy could have done the opposite to the Patriots too!
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