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Old 06-19-2005, 09:35 PM   #271
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1. I know. Unbelievable.
I seriously thought Horry might have wrenched his shoulder on that dunk, given that he missed the ensuing free throw so badly. Evidently it got fixed up in time though.
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2. I think what the Pistons thought was that Manu was going to drive the basket. This play reminded me a lot of the last play of the series between the Bulls and the Suns, where MJ drove the ball and Paxson hit the three.
I think everyone in the entire universe thought that Manu was going to drive to the basket and possibly dish to Horry or Bruce Bowen for an open three.

I just can't remember a time when not covering the inbounds pass in a big game has actually paid off (not to say that it's never happened, of course). But the disadvantages (giving up clear passing lanes and leaving the passer open for a return pass) seem to greatly outweigh the advantages.
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3. I agree. The thing was that Larry Brown was not even intending to pass the ball on the last play. It was only supposed to go to Billups but the Spurs defended him great.
Chauncey Billups had Bruce Bowen covering him from the fourth quarter onward. Not that Tony Parker's a particularly poor defender, but Rip Hamilton really should have been able to operate against him.
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The Spurs had 3 or maybe even 4 3-point threats on the floor(Horry, Ginobili, Parker, Bowen), it's hard to keep them all closed off AND adequately cover Duncan inside. Someone was bound to be left open and unfortunately for the Pistons it was Horry.
the most dangerous man on a screen is the screener... the most dangerous man on an inbounds is the inbounder. two simple rules that every basketball player should know, and larry brown certainly knows this.

thus, rasheed obviously went on his own to try to make the aggresive play. if it was a set play to trap, someone would have been stepping up from the weak side to pick up horry. no one moved... so either the step-up guy fucked up royaly, or rasheed wallace left one of the most clutch three point shooters in the history of basketball wide open with time running out.

rasheed stays, horry isn't open.

robert horry isn't the player that michael jordan, jerry west, larry bird or reggie miller is... but he is certainly as clutch. he's proved it time after time after time after time after time. maybe it's just a matter of right time right place, but shit... you don't leave the man with the most three pointers in NBA history wide open with time running out.
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The Spurs had 3 or maybe even 4 3-point threats on the floor(Horry, Ginobili, Parker, Bowen), it's hard to keep them all closed off AND adequately cover Duncan inside. Someone was bound to be left open and unfortunately for the Pistons it was Horry.
Yeah, but Rasheed was sort of playing halfway between Horry and Manu -- not tightly enough on Manu to deny the entry pass or to force a turnover, but too far away from Horry to get back and cover him for the three. If the play was to trap Manu, it wasn't very well executed.
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Chauncey Billups had Bruce Bowen covering him from the fourth quarter onward. Not that Tony Parker's a particularly poor defender, but Rip Hamilton really should have been able to operate against him.
especially after delivering a fore-arm shiver to parker's face
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and on a side note, jeff van gundy just called to tell me that the refs will be allowing a lot more physical play go tuesday night... so there ya go.
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in order for a player to take a charge, both of the defensive player's feet have to be planted before the offensive player starts his move to the basket.



as you can cleary see, horry is already in the air before hamilton has both feet planted. it is a clear block, not a charge.














this will go down as one of the greatest dunks in playoff history... 20 years from now, big shot bob's 4th quarter will be a mainstay on ESPN Classic.
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Sweet photo sequence

I can tell that you are enjoying the Spurs' vistory as much as I am...
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Why all the Pistons hate?

That's directed towards U2@NYC, not Headache.
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I can't get that last minute to stop running through my head. Chauncey's missed lay-in. Sheed's idiotic defense. Horry's clutch three even with a bum shoulder. Rip's lame attempt.

Headache, is this how Reggie made you feel?

And for those with a better Sportsguy knowledge than I, does this count as a Stomach Punch Game?
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Why all the Pistons hate?

That's directed towards U2@NYC, not Headache.
Not that much hate...

I am just rooting for the Spurs in this series both for Ginobili and because I do not like the Pistons' style. As I said earlier, I just think the Pistons are a good team, and the fact that this series is so even makes me more passionate about it, but I mean no disrespect.
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I can't get that last minute to stop running through my head. Chauncey's missed lay-in. Sheed's idiotic defense. Horry's clutch three even with a bum shoulder. Rip's lame attempt.

Headache, is this how Reggie made you feel?

And for those with a better Sportsguy knowledge than I, does this count as a Stomach Punch Game?
My God, the team that my allegiance goes to is the Bulls....is this how MJ made EVERYONE feel?
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2. I think what the Pistons thought was that Manu was going to drive the basket. This play reminded me a lot of the last play of the series between the Bulls and the Suns, where MJ drove the ball and Paxson hit the three.

If I rememeber right, on that final play Michael never drove to the basket, he passed it to pippen on the block, pippen passed it to Horace Grant, and Grant then kicked it out to Paxson for the win. And then you gotta love Horace Grant for Making that block on KJ. Those were the good days.
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If I rememeber right, on that final play Michael never drove to the basket, he passed it to pippen on the block, pippen passed it to Horace Grant, and Grant then kicked it out to Paxson for the win. And then you gotta love Horace Grant for Making that block on KJ. Those were the good days.
Oops. you are correct...

Ah, those good old days....
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Ah, those good old days....


speaking of the good ol' days. . .



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watching these highlights makes me long for the days when marv announced the nba finals... al michales sucks. great sports announce in general, not a good basketball announcer.

http://www.nba.com/history/finals_moments.html

a bulls fan rooting for the pistons? for shame...


and i would imagine the horry game for pistons fans is some what similar to how reggie made me feel as a knick fan... but not quite there yet, because big shot bob only did it once to the pistons... reggie did it to the knicks over and over and over again.
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