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Old 05-31-2005, 12:58 PM   #136
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Manu led the team that won the gold medal at the Olympics against those snobbish NBA all-stars that could not play as a team.
to assume the american team lost just because they could not play "as a team" doesn't put enough emphasis on the real problem... lack of fundamental skills.

tim duncan was on that team... as fundamentaly skilled as anyone... but he was double and triple teamed on every play. the world teams could do that to duncan because there wasn't a single player on the american team who could knock down a peremeter jumper. with the extended international foul lane and the shorter international three point line, it effectively made duncan, and to a lesser degree amare stoudamire, useless.

all the americans had to do was add a dead-eye outside shooter to that team, and you then can't pack it in on duncan because you'll get killed from the outside... any one of these guys...

michael redd, j.j. reddick, fred hoiberg, alan houston, kirk heinrich, jesus shuttlesworth... any guy who's automatic from downtown and the US wins the gold medeal... if you put 2 guys on duncan, and one guy taking away the peremeter shooter... you can't possiably stop the other three guys with the remaining 2 defenders... especially three players of the caliber that the americans had. it's simple math.


it was a poorly put together team... put together largely by the new president of basketball operations of the cleveland cavs.

how long till lebron bolts?
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I feel sorry for any team that that associates itself with Larry Brown. The guy is a very good coach but that is negated by the fact that no one can ever rely on him to stay around in any one place for the long term. It is his M.O. and he has done it again. He gets bored, he gets what in his eyes is a better offer, the grass is greener on the other side, blah blah, BOLT. He's like the guy who runs away from every one of his romantic relationships the minute is gets serious because he has issues with commitment. The angst of not knowing when Larry Brown decides it's time to go to the next place is not worth having him on your team.

Oh, and he's also quite possibly the dullest, most boring post-game podium speaker ever. I mean, after every single game, when he's at the podium, he always sounds like he's constipated and on valium.
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to assume the american team lost just because they could not play "as a team" doesn't put enough emphasis on the real problem... lack of fundamental skills.

tim duncan was on that team... as fundamentaly skilled as anyone... but he was double and triple teamed on every play. the world teams could do that to duncan because there wasn't a single player on the american team who could knock down a peremeter jumper. with the extended international foul lane and the shorter international three point line, it effectively made duncan, and to a lesser degree amare stoudamire, useless.

all the americans had to do was add a dead-eye outside shooter to that team, and you then can't pack it in on duncan because you'll get killed from the outside... any one of these guys...

So the U.S. just "lost" the gold medal? My sense is that you are somehow underestimating Tim Duncan's ability by saying that a change of regulations and the lack of a perimeter shooter made him useless... in my view, the U.S. lost due to lack of effort and team play and they were just outplayed by a team that actually had those two qualities, even when they have been technically inferior.

The only thing that I hope now is for Miami to beat the Pistons to face the Spurs in the final... Pistons vs. Spurs could be an incredibly boring, ultra-defensive series.

On another note, a couple of points on the Suns:

1. Amare Stoudemire is probably the player with most potential on this league. If he is treated right and taken advantage of, he could become a superstar like Shaq. The way in which he has been dominating an outstanding player like Duncan is astonishing.

2. Steve Nash is, as I thought all season long, completely overrated. That MVP award was a joke.

3. The Suns need a better power forward.
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So the U.S. just "lost" the gold medal? My sense is that you are somehow underestimating Tim Duncan's ability by saying that a change of regulations and the lack of a perimeter shooter made him useless... in my view, the U.S. lost due to lack of effort and team play and they were just outplayed by a team that actually had those two qualities, even when they have been technically inferior.
100% absolutely yes... just 12 years ago the americans beat the international teams by an average of 40+ points per game. are the europeans better? yes... but not that better. the americans lost.

tim duncan is a big. if you're a big, the only way you can be effective is if they can get you the ball in a position to do something with it. this goes for tim duncan, shaq, patrick ewing, hakeen olajuwon, etc. etc.

they don't bring the ball up the court... if they're triple teamed before the entry is made AND there's no one to take the pressure off of you, you have become, effectively, useless... even if you score your points. it is in no way an underestimation of duncan's skills... it's just plain fact. he needs someone to get him the ball, and he can't go 1 on 3.
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alonzo and shaq are useless in this game... van gundy should just let hte game go and rest them so they're at least somewhat effective in game 5

keeping them in this game is useless... even if the heat are more than capable of comming back and winning... is winning this one game worth ruining your two centers for the rest of the series?
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I feel sorry for any team that that associates itself with Larry Brown. The guy is a very good coach but that is negated by the fact that no one can ever rely on him to stay around in any one place for the long term. It is his M.O. and he has done it again. He gets bored, he gets what in his eyes is a better offer, the grass is greener on the other side, blah blah, BOLT. He's like the guy who runs away from every one of his romantic relationships the minute is gets serious because he has issues with commitment. The angst of not knowing when Larry Brown decides it's time to go to the next place is not worth having him on your team.

Oh, and he's also quite possibly the dullest, most boring post-game podium speaker ever. I mean, after every single game, when he's at the podium, he always sounds like he's constipated and on valium.
Larry Brown has a way of taking a team up a notch or two and then flying the coop after 2-4 years. The Pistons won 55 games, fire Rick Carlisle and replace him with LB, and they win the championship.

That Joe Dumars is a clever one...
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larry brown... bill parcells... scotty bowman... not the first, won't be the last.

even pat riley screwed over his team for a better job with more power... but frankly, after hating his guts for years after the infamous faxed resignation, i'm begining to think riles saw the writing on the wall with the horrificly run organization that is Madison Square Garden, LC.

It's amazing how within 5 years of Jim Dolan taking over the Knicks... Riley, Checkets, Grunfeld, Smith, Keenan... all the people who helped build The Garden into the place to be in the early 90s... all bounced.

Dolan takes over the team in '93... the Knicks and Rangers both make the finals in the '93-'94 season, the Rangers winning the Stanley Cup, based on the work that was put in pre-Dolan... and it's all down hill from there... now both teams are so bad that they're a good 10 years away from even competing for a championship, let alone winning one
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Jim Dolan might just be the worst owner in professional sports whose name isn't Donald Sterling. And even that is a close call. I seriously think that Scott Layden->Isiah Thomas might be the worst back-to-back succession of GMs on one team in NBA history. Layden was just a dumbass and Isiah is incapable of just sitting still and excercising some patience. So are a lot of Knicks fans(not point at you or anything Headache, just at a large number of Knicks fans I've known). I honestly a good number of Knicks fans would rather be mediocre now than great in 5 years. At some point both Isiah and a large number of Knicks fans are going to have to face the reality that they are so strangled in the salary cap area that the only way to fix it is to just wait for some of those deals to run out.
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the knicks were once the most prized job in the entire NBA... with the possiable exception of the Lakers. this was just 10 years ago.

phil jackson was offered 10-12 million per year, an nba record, to coach the knicks... the team he's always dreamed of coaching thanks to his idol, red holzman... and he turned it down. how the mighty have fallen.

i do hear many knick fans on the radio talking about how they like marbury and defend isiah... it's about half and half. half have no problem with isiah because they still blame layden, the other half are in my boat... burn the damned thing down to the ground and start from scratch.

with every losing season, those in the scorch and burn category grow larger and larger.

there is a growing opposition to jim dolan... led by disgruntled knick fans and pissed off Jets fans, who dolan is doing his damndest to keep from getting a new stadium. we will win... it may take 5-10 years... but we will get this s.o.b. to sell the team eventually...

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The San Antonio Spurs have just advanced into the championship round. The Suns are going home.
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where they will dismantle whoever they face
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Pistons can give them a good fight.
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