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Old 02-26-2008, 03:34 PM   #586
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I agree.
The expectations were enormous and nothing has come to light.
I don't feel bad for him at all. Tough shit.

He's a multi-million dollar player who has yet to win a playoff series. He has opened his mouth on more than one occasion about post-season success, and had to eat it. Put the team on your back and carry them or something.
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What do you think happened?...he just did not deliver?
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I don't feel bad for him at all. Tough shit.

He's a multi-million dollar player who has yet to win a playoff series. He has opened his mouth on more than one occasion about post-season success, and had to eat it. Put the team on your back and carry them or something.
Exactly.

You're not a superstar when "your" team finishes 21-61, T-MAC ATTACK! I don't care how bad the team is.

Same for Dwyane Wade.
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I see.


It's a good time to be a Laker fan. I hate all the "bandwagoners" showing their faces now.

Celtics/ Lakers in the Finals.......Lakers win in 7.
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Exactly.

You're not a superstar when "your" team finishes 21-61, T-MAC ATTACK! I don't care how bad the team is.

Same for Dwyane Wade.
That is some messed up logic.

How many years did KG play on terrible T-Wolves teams? Does that make him 'not a superstar'?
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Garnett's a terrible example because of how badly Kevin McHale mismanaged the team and screwed them from getting quality talent to put around him, except that one season with Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell.

The Bulls always had a chance with MJ, the Lakers with Magic, the Celtics with Bird, the Knicks with Ewing, the Rockets with Hakeem, etc...

Still, I'm not knocking their talent-level at all, but I think, in my own humble opinion, that a superstar should elevate his game enough so that the team can compete every night.

Players like Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Jermaine O'Neal, and Stephon Marbury try and command Superstar Money and Status, but to me, will never be those because they can't get their teams over that hump.

(Maybe it's unfair to use the '80s and '90s players, but I think the comparison is applicable.)
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That is some messed up logic.

How many years did KG play on terrible T-Wolves teams? Does that make him 'not a superstar'?
I think KG's overrated, and there's nothing wrong with anyone's logic thus far.

Let's see what KG and his geriatric buddies do in the playoffs, then maybe I'll change my mind about him.

Until either do anything in the post-season, to me, both are underachievers.
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Garnett's a terrible example because of how badly Kevin McHale mismanaged the team and screwed them from getting quality talent to put around him, except that one season with Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell.

The Bulls always had a chance with MJ, the Lakers with Magic, the Celtics with Bird, the Knicks with Ewing, the Rockets with Hakeem, etc...

Still, I'm not knocking their talent-level at all, but I think, in my own humble opinion, that a superstar should elevate his game enough so that the team can compete every night.

Players like Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Jermaine O'Neal, and Stephon Marbury try and command Superstar Money and Status, but to me, will never be those because they can't get their teams over that hump.

(Maybe it's unfair to use the '80s and '90s players, but I think the comparison is applicable.)
On the one hand, you say that KG is a bad example because McHale sucked so much at putting talent around him, but on the other hand, you mention MJ and Magic and Bird.

The thing is...Magic had Kareem and Worthy around him. MJ had Pippen and Rodman and Grant around him. Bird had McHale and Parish around him.

You give those guys all the credit(which they DO deserve) when they had talent around them, but you give KG NO credit when he DIDN'T have the talent around him(until this year in Boston). It's a double standard.
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Okay, then maybe the comparison isn't applicable.

I'm not bashing Garnett in the least, like I said above, I think he's incredibly talented, but I believe very few players are worthy of the "superstar"-label and hate how so many are given this status before they earn it with team success. You can be a superstar with quality role players and secondary players - look at Tim Duncan.

I don't want to keep arguing about this, so I'll respectfully agree to disagree with you.
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Okay, then maybe the comparison isn't applicable.

I'm not bashing Garnett in the least, like I said above, I think he's incredibly talented, but I believe very few players are worthy of the "superstar"-label and hate how so many are given this status before they earn it with team success. You can be a superstar with quality role players and secondary players - look at Tim Duncan.
Duncan?

He had David Robinson for the first two titles - Admiral is a Top 50 player.

Tony Parker is more than a role player, imo.

I think LeBron is the best current illustration of what you're saying. He took a team of crap all the way to the Finals last year.
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Robinson was in the twilight of his career, but could still contribute, while Parker came into his own during the '03 Finals. Duncan was still the main cog in that team and still is, even while he's getting older.

Ginobili and Parker couldn't do what they do without Duncan around them. It's the same thing that happened when Penny was playing with Shaq.

Yes, I agree about LeBron.

Alright, I'm finished.

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AI got the to the NBA Finals with a shit crew. He carried them.

LeBron got to the Finals last year with a shit crew. He carried them.

KG and McGrady can't even win a fucking series.
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Oh, wait, I just saw the pattern here! Unreal.
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Oh, wait, I just saw the pattern here! Unreal.
What pattern is that?
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