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Old 05-22-2007, 10:41 PM   #121
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i suppose i might feel differently if my team had gotten screwed by the lottery... twice... but i love it, and i would be quite sad to see it go away.

i even want it to go back to when they drew for each spot in the lottery, not just the top three.

other than the constant screwing of the celtics... has the lottery really produced anything bad? would we really have been better off with all the top players in the draft going to the inept horrid franchises that were the clippers before adn now the hawks? they just fuck things up no matter where they pick.

i love it.
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Old 05-22-2007, 10:54 PM   #122
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and secondly... danny ainge and doc rivers screwed each and every paying fan by purposely tanking this past season in order to get a better draft position, even though they knew full well there was no gaurantee of either oden or durant. they deserve everything they get (or didn't get).

the fans? i feel sorry for them... but not that sorry. i suppose they can go off and cry into one of their 16 nba championship banners.
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it appears as the suns have started their offseason on a more relaxing note...

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Old 05-22-2007, 11:13 PM   #124
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other than the constant screwing of the celtics... has the lottery really produced anything bad? would we really have been better off with all the top players in the draft going to the inept horrid franchises that were the clippers before adn now the hawks? they just fuck things up no matter where they pick.
How many times since the lottery began has the team with the worst record actually received the number one pick? Twice, maybe? I don't know it off the top of my head, but it's something crazy like that. I don't think it's worth it.

The ironic thing about the NBA going this route is that it really has screwed themselves. What just happened tonight? The West just got that much better while the East will resume its usually suckiness, thereby guaranteeing that ratings and attendance in the East stay in the gutter.

As you always like to point out, the NBA Eastern Conference - it's faaaaaantastic.
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Those grapes were probably sour anyway.
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The ironic thing about the NBA going this route is that it really has screwed themselves. What just happened tonight? The West just got that much better while the East will resume its usually suckiness, thereby guaranteeing that ratings and attendance in the East stay in the gutter.

Not even the west, the Pacific Northwest.
If it had been the Lakers or Houston getting 1 and/or 2, that wouldn't be so bad for the league, but what TV ratings are gonna come from Seattle vs Portland matchups?
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and whoever atlanta picks will suck. they could have won, and oden would suck. the franchise is cursed.
No Atlanta isn't cursed, its run by inept individuals.
Cursed is what has happened here since 1986.
Its like some sort of karmic retribution for Red pulling off deals like Parish and McHale for Joe Barely Cares or Dennis Johnson for Rick (bath)Robey...since the last title in 1986, the Celts have had(in chronological order):
1. Len Bias drop dead the day after being the #2 overall pick and presumed heir to Bird's perch as the top player on a top team.
2. Reggie Lewis drop dead on the practice floor
3. Rick Pitino
4. The Tim Duncan lottery (the story of the 2 dry runs where the Celts would have gotten picks 1 & 2 and then 1 & 3 before the actual lottery gave them 3 and 6 is mind blowing)
5. Rick Pitino trading away future finals MVP Chauncey Billups during his rookie season cause he was impatient.
6. Rick Pitino
7. Rick Pitino
8. Dennis Johnson dying young.
9. This year's draft lottery serving (which I though might have been the curse's end since red passed away last fall but no.)
10. Did I mention Rick Pitino?
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How many times since the lottery began has the team with the worst record actually received the number one pick? Twice, maybe? I don't know it off the top of my head, but it's something crazy like that. I don't think it's worth it.

The ironic thing about the NBA going this route is that it really has screwed themselves. What just happened tonight? The West just got that much better while the East will resume its usually suckiness, thereby guaranteeing that ratings and attendance in the East stay in the gutter.

As you always like to point out, the NBA Eastern Conference - it's faaaaaantastic.
that's about the best point you've made... the east gets served yet again.

but then again, if it was, in fact, done completley based on record, one of them still would have gone to the western conference 'cause memphis had the worst record.
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More Boston bad luck

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
May 22, 2007

The Portland Trail Blazers trotted out Brandon Roy at the NBA draft lottery and right then and there maybe the Boston Celtics should have known they were doomed.

There are a million reasons, a million mistakes that put the Celts in this situation, every last one of their green eggs in the lottery basket, Greg Oden, Kevin Durant or bust for the once-proudest franchise in sports.

But Roy was the most recent reason, the reigning rookie of the year, the good guy, cornerstone player that the Blazers stole last June in a deal that began when they acquired Boston's first-round pick in exchange for Sebastian Telfair, Sebastian Telfair's gun collection, Theo Ratliff and a second-round selection.

That was a fleecing, the kind Red Auerbach used to pull off. Only now it keeps happening to Boston, where Danny Ainge's deals are so often dumber than those David Blaine commercials.

With no Roy (but with Telfair), the Celtics stunk from the start of the season, which led them to tank games to get a shot at Oden or Durant, which forced them to keep overmatched Doc Rivers (you can't fire a guy for losing when you asked him to lose, can you?), which stunted their players' development, which left their loss-weary fans holding their breath for a franchise-saving ping-pong ball to bounce the right way.

Instead, it bounced to Brandon Roy.

Boston is doomed. It all broke bad Tuesday in Secaucus, and across Celtics Nation this was a sucker punch to the stomach.

Greg Oden isn't walking through that door, to paraphrase a past franchise disaster. Kevin Durant isn't walking through that door.

Somehow, Boston wound up fifth, the worst possible outcome. It was three times as likely to get in the top two, but that meant nothing to that shocked Celtics fan on ESPN, mouth agape in horror.

Of course, around the rest of the league, it was a moment of schadenfreude.

You either loved this or hated it. You either wondered how the Celtics could be so cursed or wondered why it took so long.

Boston won 16 NBA championships, mostly because of Auerbach routinely ripping off other teams with trades. He picked up Bill Russell in part by promising another owner he'd get the Ice Capades to visit his building. He got Bob Cousy when another team folded. He drafted Larry Bird a year ahead of time in a loophole that was quickly closed. He landed Kevin McHale and Robert Parish for Joe Barry Carroll.

It was unreal, the luck of the Irish.

Which is why so many opposing fans are rejoicing in its continued disappearance, so many enjoying that a team with a 5.3-percent chance wound up where Boston should have been, smiling at the thought that the Celtics now have to hope Yi Jianlian falls to them.

Boston getting screwed in the lottery was some kind of poetic justice for many. In terms of karma, the Celtics – not to mention fellow tankers Memphis and Milwaukee – have only themselves to blame – the basketball gods, if not Red himself, disgusted with their blatant non-efforts.

But this is what the present reality is for Boston, a franchise that just two months after winning its 16th title in 1986 had draft pick Len Bias die of a drug overdose. Things haven't been the same ever since. Just seven years later, another young star, Reggie Lewis, died during a practice session.

Then there's been a series of horrible trades and bizarre signings. The Boston Garden got demolished. The coaches have been mostly terrible, the players often worse. Outside of a brief sign of life in the early part of this decade, there's been little to cheer. The Celtics have fallen into irrelevance both locally and nationally.

And we haven't even mentioned the last lottery loss in 1997, when Tim Duncan turned into Ron Mercer and Rick Pitino.

And now this.

At this stage, for Celts fans, what's left? Oden or Durant were the saviors, the super talents that could eventually lift the franchise through the mediocrity of Ainge and Rivers.

Now Boston is stuck with the hand it has – a bad team, a wasted prime of Paul Pierce, a coach who needs to go, a boss in Ainge still living off his rep as a player and, what, once snagging Al Jefferson in the middle of the first round?

"There's other ways to get lucky," Ainge tried to reassure fans Tuesday. "There's other ways to get guys in the draft. Nobody thought Paul Pierce was going to be as good as he is when we got him at 10."

It was all shell-shocked spin at that point, not that Ainge isn't correct. You can get great players later in the top 10. Just a year ago, after all, he could have even gotten Brandon Roy.
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No doubt the Celtics organization has shot itself in the foot plenty of times over the last decade, but you have to wonder how much of that would have happened if things had gone the way they should have gone 10 years ago.
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dr. hibbert has pulled out of the draft, and it's expected that green will do the same... which does two things, thins out the lottery and makes georgetown the prohibitive favorite to win it all next year.
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And makes next year's draft slightly better. Since the Celts will be in the middle of the lottery again.
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if it makes you feel better, there's no chance the knicks are a 50 win team by 2010 and will have to give their 1st round pick, unprotected, to utah.
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Old 05-23-2007, 04:28 PM   #135
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If it makes you feel better, the Bulls are going to draft Joakim Noah. Mark my words...


Hey, if the Celtics can get Hibbert next year, he could end up being the Bill Russell of our time and have a huge rivalry vs. Oden. THink about it...
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