correction... no possibly. the bulls would deffinetly win the east with kobe.
Depends on what the Bullies had to give back to make the trade work.Headache in a Suitcase said:correction... no possibly. the bulls would deffinetly win the east with kobe.
Hewson said:Depends on what the Bullies had to give back to make the trade work.
Kobe could end up in a similar situation in Chi-Town if the Bulls send too much young talent to LA for him.
namkcuR said:The only reason that the Buss regime isn't getting as much flack as the Dolan regime is because A)the Dolan regime doesn't have 8 championships on its resume
LemonMacPhisto said:They have to get rid of Ben Gordon regardless, he's a great shooter but he's a defensive liability and way too streaky.
LemonMacPhisto said:Portland's in need of another scorer, and a possible Roy-Gordon-Aldridge-Oden/Durant tandem is awesome.
LemonMacPhisto said:I really only seeing Kobe going to the Bulls too, and I don't think they're losing much if they gave away Gordon, Deng, Wallace, and the 9th pick. They would be a title contender like you guys said in a relatively big market and in the East, plus the Lakers would have a decent team, kind of like the 76ers West.
Headache in a Suitcase said:
"great shooter" and "streaky" are oxymorons.
he's a good, not great, good scorer... his shot is suspect, and completely disapears from time to time. streak shooters, by definition, aren't great shooters.
john starks was the ultimate streak shooter... he could hit 8 threes on any given night... and miss 15 the next. good scorer? yes... great shooter? no chance.
a) let's slow down before we call a lineup of mostly unproven talent "awesome"... how about "great upside potential" instead.
b) who's running the point?
namkcuR said:
You don't think they're losing much if they give up Deng, Gordon, Big Ben, AND the 9th pick? So
Tyrus
Nocioni
Kobe/Sefolosha
Hinrich/Duhon
is going to contend for a title? No. That team is only marginally better than what Kobe has in LA right now.
Superstar trades never net equal value, especially when said Superstar wants out. It's naive to think this will be any different if Kobe is traded.
A deal of Gordon, Nocioni, Tyrus is more realistic. MAYBE the 9th pick.
Take it from a Bulls fan: Deng and Gordon will never, ever, ever, ever be traded at the same time. One only has to read so many quotes from Paxson to know that. And Deng would be the perfect sidekick for Kobe.
Also....If LA trades Kobe, they're going into rebuilding mode. They're not going to want overpaid not-so-young offensively bankrupt outside-of-put-backs Ben Wallace.
The goal of any Kobe trade for Chicago should be to come out of with a team of Wallace/whoever/Deng/Kobe/Hinrich.
And FYI, a Lakers team with Deng, Gordon, Big Ben, the 9th pick, Lamar Odom, and eventually Bynum, plus the Lakers' pick this year, would be MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the 76ers. That was an outrageous statement, to compare a potential post-Kobe team with that much young talent(Bulls are giving up too much in your scenario) to a 76ers team that really doesn't have much outside of Iggy, Andre Miller, and a few draft picks.
LemonMacPhisto said:I think Jarrett Jack ran the point for them last year,
LemonMacPhisto said:Which team out of these superstar trades has gotten the better deal?
9 times out of 10 it's the team receiving the superstar.
Look at the Barkley to the Suns, Kareem to the Bucks, Moses to the 76ers, Shaq to the Lakers trades, they're all perfect examples.
LemonMacPhisto said:Those trades happened because both GMs thought they were trades beneficial for both teams. Of course one guy got screwed on the deal, but it's happened many times, and it will happen again.
Mitch Kupchak might just be the first guy to trade both of his superduperstars for about 30-40 cents on the dollar.
Got Philk? said:
This is what I hear... or WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH. I guess he just couldn't make the Lakers his team like he wanted to after Shaq left. Poor baby.
I know this is only one side of the story...Who could make Kwame Brown good yada yada. I am just sick of these high paid players getting whatever they want. Baron Davis cries and gets traded. Vince Carter...waaaaaah and gets traded. I hope he gets stuck in LA and i hope they trade anyone with talent. Poor Poor Kobe...
namkcuR said:
I agree with you, but you're not making sense.
On the one hand, you say that the team trading the Superstar never gets the better end of the deal, but on the other hand, you have Chicago giving their whole damn team to LA for Kobe.
namkcuR said:
I agree with you, but you're not making sense.
On the one hand, you say that the team trading the Superstar never gets the better end of the deal, but on the other hand, you have Chicago giving their whole damn team to LA for Kobe.
Headache in a Suitcase said:
key difference... the east sucks, the west is good, and is only getting better.
put the lakers in the east and where are they... third? fourth? are they really worse than cleveland? really? honestly? kobe's better than lebron... odom's better than anyone else on the cavs... and phil's certainly the better coach.
kobe bryant's the best player in the league. put him in the east and whatever team he's on is an instant contender for the eastern conference title. put him on a team that's already just a piece short, such as chicago, and they're the favorites. deng, gordon and wallace for kobe and bynum? in a heart beat.
namkcuR said:And I'm telling you, most Bulls fans don't want both to be traded for Kobe.
namkcuR said:
I agree with you, but you're not making sense.
On the one hand, you say that the team trading the Superstar never gets the better end of the deal, but on the other hand, you have Chicago giving their whole damn team to LA for Kobe.
Headache in a Suitcase said:
and chicago would get the better deal
tpsreports2424 said:I think so