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Old 12-23-2006, 01:39 AM   #166
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How would you feel about Rick Adelman? He's available.
I think they're releasing "The Best Rick Adelman Playoff Collapses" DVD this Christmas too.



(yes, that's a Sports Guy joke but I think it applies here)
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You have to see this picture. Ahhh, the glory days...

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And down goes Yao.


That train is never late.
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You have to see this picture. Ahhh, the glory days...

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As Bulls fans everywhere used to say from 96 to 98, "LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUC'!
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As Bulls fans everywhere used to say from 96 to 98, "LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUC'!
Thank you for acknowledging the greatest Australian center to ever grace the NBA.
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Andrew Bogut just puked.
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It's all about the rings Andrew...
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Would you want to play against an Australian National team that featured a front line of Bogut at C, a coaxed out of retirement Longley mixing it up at PF, and the New Zealand transplant Axver holding it down at SF? The answer is "hell no".
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I don't think I'm underestimating him.

The championship and finals appearance with Detroit happened because he walked into a team that Joe Dumars and RICK CARLISLE built, a team that had been getting progressively better and was already poised to go for the title. I said in 2004, and I will continue to say, that that Detroit team would've won the championship that year with LB OR with Rick Carlisle. The fact is, Detroit played against a Lakers team that was literally falling apart before our eyes. I don't for one minute believe that LB did anything with Detroit that Rick Carlisle couldn't have done.

The finals appearance with Philadelphia was pure fluke. It was the result of a combination of two things: First, the Eastern Conference that year was as terrible as I have EVER seen it, and THAT is saying something. Second, Iverson wouldn't let them lose. The Carter/Davis-led Raptors and Allen/Big Dog/Cassell-led Bucks of that year both took the Sixers to seven games before losing, and both teams should have won their respective series'. Outside of Iverson, that Sixers team got completely outplayed by every team it played, but Iverson was so amazing that year that he would will the team to victory, and that's exactly what happened against the Raptors and the Bucks. At the brink of defeat, Iverson would always score 50 and bail them out. Once they got the finals, the Lakers destroyed them outside of a tight Game 1. Outside of that season, the LB-led Sixers were a mediocre team.

The back-to-back ECF appearances with the Pacers were actually legit. LB had walked into a team that had a bunch of players that suited his style perfectly; Reggie, the Davis's, Mark Jackson, Chuck Person, Herb Williams, etc. Other than that, I have to say this is the only success of LB's NBA career that I give him any real credit for.

That's not much.

Look at his season-by-season finishes in the NBA:

1976-1977 Denver 50-32 Lost in first round
1977-1978 Denver 48-34 Lost in second round
1978-1979 Denver 28-25 Did not qualify
1981-1982 New Jersey 44-38 Lost in first round
1982-1983 New Jersey 47-29 did not qualify
1988-1989 San Antonio 21-61 did not qualify
1989-1990 San Antonio 56-26 Lost in second round
1990-1991 San Antonio 55-27 Lost in first round
1991-1992 San Antonio 21-17 (Bolted town mid-season)
1991-1992 Los Angeles Clippers 23-12 Lost in first round
1992-1993 Los Angeles Clippers 41-41 Lost in first round
1993-1994 Indiana 47-35 Lost in ECF
1994-1995 Indiana 52-30 Lost in ECF
1995-1996 Indiana 52-30 Lost in first round
1996-1997 Indina 39-43 Did not qualify
1997-1998 Philadelphia 31-51 did not qualify
1998-1999 Philadelphia 28-22 Lost in second round
1999-2000 Philadelphia 49-33 Lost in second round
2000-2001 Philadelphia 56-26 Lost in finals
2001-2002 Philadelphia 43-39 Lost in first round
2002-2003 Philadelphia 48-34 Lost in second round
2003-2004 Detroit 54-28 Won championship
2004-2005 Detroit 54-28 Lost in finals
2005-2006 New York 23-59 did not qualify

In 23 full seasons coaching in the NBA, LB's teams have had the following finishes:

6 DNQs
7 first round losses
5 second round losses
2 conference finals lossses
2 finals losses
1 championship

In 23 full seasons coaching in the NBA, Larry Brown's teams have gotten past the second round of the playoffs only 5 times. 18 times, Larry Brown's teams have lost in the first or second round of the playoffs or not made the playoffs at all.

That means that 78% of Larry Brown's teams have been no better than second-round teams, while only 22% of his teams - less than a quarter - have made it past the second round.

He hasn't had THAT much success in the NBA.

Everybody keeps saying, 'yeah, he has a huge ego and is very high maintanance, but it's worth it because wherever he goes he wins'. But that's not even true.

You say that LB's consistant success makes his bullshit worthwhile, but I contend that LB's success has been anything but consistant.
and 8 different 50+ win seasons with 5 different teams.

and of those 6 did not qualify seasons... one was in a strike shortened season with a team that was 3 games over .500, one was with a team that won 47 games... really... ya wanna talk about flukes? how many times will a team that wins 47 games not make the playoffs? if the nets were to win 47 games this year they'd win their division in a lanslide... two DNQ seasons were followed the next season by trips to the second round of the playoffs, and the other was with the knicks, which doesn't count.

you can dislike larry brown's personality all you want... the man is one hell of a coach. he comes with baggage, as many great coaches do. if you don't want to accept the baggage, you don't hire him. but he's improved every team he's ever been with.

you fail to mention his .744 career NCAA winning percentage, along with three final four appearances, two trips to the national championship game and one national title... all in just seven seasons.

you also don't mention the great success he had in the ABA

you completely ignore that when he coached the nets and clippers they were utter laughing stocks... and he led them both to the playoffs. before this recent run, the clippers had been to the playoffs three times in the first 27 years of their existance... two of those three playoff teams were coached by larry brown.

the man is a great coach... a master teacher from THE line of master teachers (brown played for dean smith, deam smith played for phog allen, phog allen played for james nasmith). he is held in the highest regard by his fellow coaches as an expert of the game.

you may not believe he's a good man for how he ultimately leaves every team he goes to, but he is what he is. you know what he is when you sign him. if you don't like it, don't sign him.

and the detroit thing... yea, i know it was a fluke championship. kobe bryant cost the lakers the title that year. i've been saying that the pistons were bad for years and have been ridiculed for doing so. but he did get them there, which rick carslisle could never do (and has never done with indiana).

and yea, the east was awful when the 6ers went... and it's still awful... but he still did get allen iverson to the finals when no body else, with a very similar roster, has been able to get him out of the first round (if they even get to the playoffs at all).

does he end up screwing the team that's hired in the end? sure... so did pat riley. he screwed the knicks in the butt to go to miami, then bailed on them when they thought the team was gonna suck, then came swooping back in and screwing stan van gundy in the butt to "save the day" when van gundy had the team at .500 with shaq out injured.

phil jackson bails every time his best players leave and has never coached a team to a playoff victory in which he didn't have the best player on the court. the only reason why he's back with the lakers now is 'cause he's eventually gonna own the team.

which leads me to my final point... coaches are only as good as their players. great coaches can have shitty records and shitty coaches can have great records depending on who's wearing the uniform. the truly legendary coaches are the ones who take lesser talent and make htem over-achieve. larry brown's history is filled with such teams.
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Great post Headache.

Speaking of great players, I just watched Dwayne Wade completely demolish everyone and everything in Miami today.

It was great to see him do his thing and the Mamba choke a bit.
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The Magic have lost 9 of the last 12 and dropped from the 1st seed to the 7th.

Faaantastic.
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Mike Fratello has been let go from the Grizzlies.

Some rumors going around that KG has quietly asked out of Minnesota.

And James Posey is a piece of shit.
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KG should go to either:

Da Bulls, The Clippers, or The Warriors.

Even though the Wolves are 1 game out of the playoffs.
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I would love KG on my Bulls! I really think his style of play would fit the system and he's exactly what we need! A post presence and a go to guy at the end of the game.

I just don't want to give up what we'd probably have to give up to get him. What would they probably want? Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, we'd probably throw in PJ Brown b/c he really wants out of Chicago bad. Would they want Deng? Nocioni? I wouldn't know who to give up without messing with the system.

I know he's not tearing it up at all right now, but I like Tyrus Thomas. I strongly believe him and Luol Deng are the future of this team. Gordon will always be instant offense, Heinrich is a great leader, I like Sefalosha(spelling) and Nocioni, but especially Deng, I think he'll be a star. And he's still so young.

As for Thomas, the man has some great athleticism. But more importantly, the kid has the right attitude. He is learning how to work hard to get better and it's working. Once Thomas gets a feel for how he can play in this league, I think he'll be a monster.

So, Garnett for PJ Brown and Victor Khryapa. Deal!

Edit: Ok, I could deal with losing Tyrus Thomas. But not Deng.
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I would love KG on my Bulls! I really think his style of play would fit the system and he's exactly what we need! A post presence and a go to guy at the end of the game.

I just don't want to give up what we'd probably have to give up to get him. What would they probably want? Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, we'd probably throw in PJ Brown b/c he really wants out of Chicago bad. Would they want Deng? Nocioni? I wouldn't know who to give up without messing with the system.

I know he's not tearing it up at all right now, but I like Tyrus Thomas. I strongly believe him and Luol Deng are the future of this team. Gordon will always be instant offense, Heinrich is a great leader, I like Sefalosha(spelling) and Nocioni, but especially Deng, I think he'll be a star. And he's still so young.

As for Thomas, the man has some great athleticism. But more importantly, the kid has the right attitude. He is learning how to work hard to get better and it's working. Once Thomas gets a feel for how he can play in this league, I think he'll be a monster.

So, Garnett for PJ Brown and Victor Khryapa. Deal!

Edit: Ok, I could deal with losing Tyrus Thomas. But not Deng.
Look at the Iverson deal - the guy is a superstar and Denver still got him for Andre miller and two mid-firsts.

I'd do KG for Tyrus, Duhon, PJ, and EITHER Nocioni or our swap option w/NYK, but not both.

With the way Gordon has been playing lately, I'd have a hard time trading him. Deng the same. Hinrich has been in a slump lately but he's a good young PG and I'd have a hard time trading him too.
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