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Old 12-21-2006, 06:40 AM   #151
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I just hope Billy King doesn't screw up with these picks. Chances are quite high it happens.
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i will tell you this... korver and igoudala will take off without iverson dominating the ball.
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I'm hearing that Larry Brown could return to the Sixers.

Billy King is not that fucking stupid, is he? After what happened in NY, WHO in their right mind would hire LB ever again?

Why will people not see the man for what he is - a greedy, power-hungry, disloyal, money-grubbing, stubborn, egomaniacal, self-centered self-righteous piece of you-know-what - ?
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Larry Brown would be absolutely perfect for the Sixers. I hope he comes back.
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Larry Brown would be absolutely perfect for the Sixers. I hope he comes back.
You can't be serious.

The guy is a backstabber. He doesn't give a shit about anything but his own bottom line. Every team he goes to, he ends up breaking their heart. You've already been the victim once. He just up and decides he's bored, creates some drama/melodrama to either get himself fired or create a situation where he has a reason to resign, and then leaves. He won't play rookies or youngins. Seriously. If you had two SFs on your team - Dwight Howard and PJ Brown - LB would give PJ the start because PJ's been around much longer and knows how to play 'the right way', whatever that means anymore.

The guy is not worth it. It shocks me that a Sixers fan who has already lived through the hell that is a Larry Brown Tenure wants to do it again.
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Dwight plays Center and maybe the Power Forward spot.

Larry Brown's not a bad coach, but if he coaches the Sixers again he can't bench every player under 25 right?

Wouldn't it just be Joe Smith and the Assistant Coaches at that point?
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Dwight plays Center and maybe the Power Forward spot.

Larry Brown's not a bad coach, but if he coaches the Sixers again he can't bench every player under 25 right?

Wouldn't it just be Joe Smith and the Assistant Coaches at that point?
I meant PF, I really did. I was going to compare LeBron to an older SF but in the moment I couldn't think of an old fundemental-style SF to compare LeBron to, so I did PFs instead, but I had already typed SF and forgot to change it. My bad.

Anyway, Larry Brown is not going to change. I can't stand the guy, that much is obvious.
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Ah, it's okay, easy mistake to make.

All I know is if Doc Rivers still has a job in the NBA, Larry Brown should coach somewhere.
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Yes, by the way, Billy King is THAT stupid.
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Pierce out minimum of 2-3 weeks, maybe longer with a stress reaction (whatever that means) in the foot.

This would be a good opportunity to drop right back into the thick of the Oden sweepstakes (stupid 5 game win streak really hurt).
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I'm hearing that Larry Brown could return to the Sixers.

Billy King is not that fucking stupid, is he? After what happened in NY, WHO in their right mind would hire LB ever again?

Why will people not see the man for what he is - a greedy, power-hungry, disloyal, money-grubbing, stubborn, egomaniacal, self-centered self-righteous piece of you-know-what - ?
someone who wants their veteran basketball team to get over the hump.

while i don't agree that brown would be good for the 76ers with so many young players... if i had a veteran team who couldn't get over the hump i'd hire him in a heartbeat.

all i know is two things... before coming to new york, larry brown has turned around every team he's ever been associated with... and isiah thomas has destroyed everything he's been associated with.

did larry brown use the knicks to collect a big pay day? yea... he did. he used isiah and dolan for the absolute tools that they are. was that his original intention when he signed with new york? no... i think it was to drive isiah out the door because he knew full well that isiah was, in fact, a tool. but upon discovery that the owner was an even bigger tool who was more likely to side with isiah over the hall of fame coach, he sandbagged it.

do i blame him? not one iota. larry saw the writing on the wall, just like pat riley and jeff van gundy before him.

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The guy is not worth it. It shocks me that a Sixers fan who has already lived through the hell that is a Larry Brown Tenure wants to do it again.
larry brown took allen iverson to the finals... nobody else has been able to get him out of the first round. it's clear you dislike the man... but you're using your dislike to seriously underestimate his coaching ability.
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larry brown took allen iverson to the finals... nobody else has been able to get him out of the first round. it's clear you dislike the man... but you're using your dislike to seriously underestimate his coaching ability.
I don't think I'm underestimating him.

The championship and finals appearance with Detroit happened because he walked into a team that Joe Dumars and RICK CARLISLE built, a team that had been getting progressively better and was already poised to go for the title. I said in 2004, and I will continue to say, that that Detroit team would've won the championship that year with LB OR with Rick Carlisle. The fact is, Detroit played against a Lakers team that was literally falling apart before our eyes. I don't for one minute believe that LB did anything with Detroit that Rick Carlisle couldn't have done.

The finals appearance with Philadelphia was pure fluke. It was the result of a combination of two things: First, the Eastern Conference that year was as terrible as I have EVER seen it, and THAT is saying something. Second, Iverson wouldn't let them lose. The Carter/Davis-led Raptors and Allen/Big Dog/Cassell-led Bucks of that year both took the Sixers to seven games before losing, and both teams should have won their respective series'. Outside of Iverson, that Sixers team got completely outplayed by every team it played, but Iverson was so amazing that year that he would will the team to victory, and that's exactly what happened against the Raptors and the Bucks. At the brink of defeat, Iverson would always score 50 and bail them out. Once they got the finals, the Lakers destroyed them outside of a tight Game 1. Outside of that season, the LB-led Sixers were a mediocre team.

The back-to-back ECF appearances with the Pacers were actually legit. LB had walked into a team that had a bunch of players that suited his style perfectly; Reggie, the Davis's, Mark Jackson, Chuck Person, Herb Williams, etc. Other than that, I have to say this is the only success of LB's NBA career that I give him any real credit for.

That's not much.

Look at his season-by-season finishes in the NBA:

1976-1977 Denver 50-32 Lost in first round
1977-1978 Denver 48-34 Lost in second round
1978-1979 Denver 28-25 Did not qualify
1981-1982 New Jersey 44-38 Lost in first round
1982-1983 New Jersey 47-29 did not qualify
1988-1989 San Antonio 21-61 did not qualify
1989-1990 San Antonio 56-26 Lost in second round
1990-1991 San Antonio 55-27 Lost in first round
1991-1992 San Antonio 21-17 (Bolted town mid-season)
1991-1992 Los Angeles Clippers 23-12 Lost in first round
1992-1993 Los Angeles Clippers 41-41 Lost in first round
1993-1994 Indiana 47-35 Lost in ECF
1994-1995 Indiana 52-30 Lost in ECF
1995-1996 Indiana 52-30 Lost in first round
1996-1997 Indina 39-43 Did not qualify
1997-1998 Philadelphia 31-51 did not qualify
1998-1999 Philadelphia 28-22 Lost in second round
1999-2000 Philadelphia 49-33 Lost in second round
2000-2001 Philadelphia 56-26 Lost in finals
2001-2002 Philadelphia 43-39 Lost in first round
2002-2003 Philadelphia 48-34 Lost in second round
2003-2004 Detroit 54-28 Won championship
2004-2005 Detroit 54-28 Lost in finals
2005-2006 New York 23-59 did not qualify

In 23 full seasons coaching in the NBA, LB's teams have had the following finishes:

6 DNQs
7 first round losses
5 second round losses
2 conference finals lossses
2 finals losses
1 championship

In 23 full seasons coaching in the NBA, Larry Brown's teams have gotten past the second round of the playoffs only 5 times. 18 times, Larry Brown's teams have lost in the first or second round of the playoffs or not made the playoffs at all.

That means that 78% of Larry Brown's teams have been no better than second-round teams, while only 22% of his teams - less than a quarter - have made it past the second round.

He hasn't had THAT much success in the NBA.

Everybody keeps saying, 'yeah, he has a huge ego and is very high maintanance, but it's worth it because wherever he goes he wins'. But that's not even true.

You say that LB's consistant success makes his bullshit worthwhile, but I contend that LB's success has been anything but consistant.
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You can't be serious.

The guy is a backstabber. He doesn't give a shit about anything but his own bottom line. Every team he goes to, he ends up breaking their heart. You've already been the victim once. He just up and decides he's bored, creates some drama/melodrama to either get himself fired or create a situation where he has a reason to resign, and then leaves. He won't play rookies or youngins. Seriously. If you had two SFs on your team - Dwight Howard and PJ Brown - LB would give PJ the start because PJ's been around much longer and knows how to play 'the right way', whatever that means anymore.

The guy is not worth it. It shocks me that a Sixers fan who has already lived through the hell that is a Larry Brown Tenure wants to do it again.
Larry Brown works best with role players. The Sixers without Iverson are all role players.

I was pissed about Larry leaving the first time, but look at the alternatives. Mo Cheeks was a great player, but he doesn't even have a strategy as a coach. Frankly, anything will go. If we weren't so desperate as fans, maybe we would hold a grudge.
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Larry Brown works best with role players. The Sixers without Iverson are all role players.

I was pissed about Larry leaving the first time, but look at the alternatives. Mo Cheeks was a great player, but he doesn't even have a strategy as a coach. Frankly, anything will go. If we weren't so desperate as fans, maybe we would hold a grudge.
How would you feel about Rick Adelman? He's available.
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I think the thing is it's easy to forget the past. Look at his record basically from 1993 on. Cancel out New York and that's not bad and a couple possible rebuilding(philly) or end of an era(indy) and it doesn't look so bad.

I don't so much like his persona, or coaching of the team either really. But if you look at that, sure only one championship, but playoffs for a lot of those years I mentioned, that gets recognition.
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