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Old 10-05-2018, 04:29 PM   #21
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Well C is the one I'd take.

Plus you said "healthy" seasons, using 2015-16 for Kyrie is not a healthy season, he played 53 games and was coming back from a fractured kneecap.
So you should skip that and replace it with 14-15 when his VORP was 3.7 and WS was 10.4 and TS% was .583.

So with that I'll go C A B D
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Well C is the one I'd take.

Plus you said "healthy" seasons, using 2015-16 for Kyrie is not a healthy season, he played 53 games and was coming back from a fractured kneecap.
So you should skip that and replace it with 14-15 when his VORP was 3.7 and WS was 10.4 and TS% was .583.

So with that I'll go C A B D
You were supposed to vote before looking

A is Hayward

C is Kyrie

B is John Wall

D is Paul George




So long story short... Even if you still think Kyrie is better, Hayward is pretty damn good and highly underrated.
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Old 10-05-2018, 04:49 PM   #23
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I only looked up Kyrie to confirm my suspicion when I saw that 1.5. I didn't look up the other 3 and ranked those based on numbers alone.
Probably about how I'd rank them based on the eyeball test as well now knowing who was who.

And believe me I know Hayward is good, and look forward to seeing the 2 of them on the court together for many seasons to come. If Trader Danny can keep everyone together under the cap when Brown and Tatum are up for new deals (thankfully Horford's deal will be expiring freeing up space by then), this should be a better run than the Garnett Celts had. Just need the Warriors to meet their untimely demise before they get back to Coney Island cause everyone thinks they shot Cyrus.
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You talk about Hayward being underrated, but so is Irving lately IMO. Remember during last year's playoffs when people were saying they should trade him because Rozier was just as good or close to it? That was a bunch of bullshit. Irving is one of the best pure scorers and ballhandlers in the league, and top of that he hit one of the biggest shots in Finals history. He's proven under pressure. You can't say that about too many players in the league, and certainly not Hayward right now.
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You talk about Hayward being underrated, but so is Irving lately IMO. Remember during last year's playoffs when people were saying they should trade him because Rozier was just as good or close to it? That was a bunch of bullshit. Irving is one of the best pure scorers and ballhandlers in the league, and top of that he hit one of the biggest shots in Finals history. He's proven under pressure. You can't say that about too many players in the league, and certainly not Hayward right now.
I don't think Irving is underrated.

I think the line of thought around trading Kyrie was two fold.

A) he has a very high usage rate, and people were worried about him being too ball dominant. It's not a crazy concern, either. But you still don't trade him. There are similar concerns about John Wall.

B) he's a free agent after this year and before this week it was the hot rumor that he was bolting for the Knicks.

Anyone who thought they should trade him because they have Rozier is a moron.

Regarding playing under pressure? Sure, he hit huge shots 3 years ago. He also did so as the #2 option - a different beast.

I'm in no way saying Irving is bad and I don't mean it as an insult to sat Hayward is better. It's also subjective or course - do you prefer a ball dominant guard or someone who plays more without the ball. Clearly I prefer the later, which admittedly clouds my judgement.
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Yeah there was a fair amount of talk about trading Kyrie and keeping Rozier on sports talk radio here last spring...until game 7 of the ECF, then those folks went conspicuously silent.
There is exactly one scenario where that trade would make sense, and that's if Kyrie told Trader Danny he was definitely bolting when his deal was up, then you get something for him. But that was never said, the Knicks rumors surfaced from some schlub using conversation from a couple of years ago of Kyrie trying to persuade Jimmy Butler to join him in Cleveland and somehow spun it to the 2 of them wanting to team up next year in NYC.
Obviously have to wait until Irving signs which won't be till the offseason, but he made it clear yesterday he intends to stay here. He also had made it known in the past that he would like to play with Hayward but the Butler conspiracy theorists ignored that info.
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Yeah there was a fair amount of talk about trading Kyrie and keeping Rozier on sports talk radio here last spring...until game 7 of the ECF, then those folks went conspicuously silent.
There is exactly one scenario where that trade would make sense, and that's if Kyrie told Trader Danny he was definitely bolting when his deal was up, then you get something for him. But that was never said, the Knicks rumors surfaced from some schlub using conversation from a couple of years ago of Kyrie trying to persuade Jimmy Butler to join him in Cleveland and somehow spun it to the 2 of them wanting to team up next year in NYC.
Obviously have to wait until Irving signs which won't be till the offseason, but he made it clear yesterday he intends to stay here. He also had made it known in the past that he would like to play with Hayward but the Butler conspiracy theorists ignored that info.
Ahhhhhh there was a little more to it then that. He is a Jersey guy, and certain members of his family have issues not spilling their guts.

Alas... it'll be very hard for him to go back on this now. He always can, of course.

There's also the distinct possibility that other pieces have started moving behind the scenes and he knows New York isn't a realistic option anymore. And nobody wants to play for the Nets.
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The Utah Jazz beat Adelaide tonight. Take that Aussies!
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So... Things in minnesota seem fine
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Pat Riley would like to state for the record that he would never call that motherfucker Thibs a motherfucker
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I love Pat Riley.

If we would’ve managed the supposed trade, we would’ve fleeced them.
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Jason Tatum good.
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The Celtics also have the Kings 1st round pick this year - which they got in the trade that got them Tatum. The Kings will be a dumpster fire this year.

So the Celtics will have Jason Tatum and Zion Williamson and Markelle Fultz will be"making progress on his jumper"
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And man Gordon Hayward looks slow as shit. This is gonna take him a while.
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The Tatum / Fultz trade is looking more and more like it would be a disaster even if Fultz becomes a good player - which currently? ehhhhh not so much.

And ass in the pick that they got as well? Yikes.
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And ass in the pick that they got as well? Yikes.
Hell of a typo.
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