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Old 08-14-2005, 06:26 PM   #16
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But the key point that the Prez of NDSU misses is that it really makes a difference when it's a minority that's being caricatured. "Fighting Negroes" wouldn't go over so well, would it?

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How is the Negro comment even relevant? Sioux is the name of their tribe, it's not like they're the North Dakota Savages with an Indian mascot. If anything it's making people aware of the tribes, which is a good thing.
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Having no known American Indian blood in my veins, perhaps I'm not fully qualified to answer the question at hand. But whenever I've had the opportunity to assist in the choosing of a sports team's name or a school mascot, it's been my experience that we tried to pick a name that conjured up an image we wished to emulate or were proud of. Something that referenced local culture or history, or that would conjure up a victorious image amongst our fans and instill a sense of awe in our opponents.

And again, I don't have any experience in the vantage point of a Native American, but how can you be simultaneously proud of your ancestors' reputations as fierce, brave warriors yet insulted when someone else alludes to that very fact through the naming of a sport's team or high school mascot, whatever?

Maybe I've phrased my argument terribly wrong - I can certainly understand why the Washington Redskins is insulting, "redskins' having been used in the past as a slur. I just see the choosing of a mascot as something you're honoring - not insulting.
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Old 08-14-2005, 09:33 PM   #18
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politcal correctness will never win in the end, and it's gone too far as it is.

i'll call my braves BRAVES, and my indians INDIANS.
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I lied. One last post:

Many Native Americans find it demeaning to have their names and likenesses used by sports teams, no matter how noble the intentions of the users are. They want colleges and sports teams not to treat them as tokens or curiosities.

I would wager that many groups of blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc. in America would feel the same way if their names and likenesses were being used similarly.
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too bad.

i simply have had it with catering to everyone.

at this rate, in 20 years we'll have to identify everyone and everything in numbers as all forms of creative expression will have been outlawed due to a very small but loud "minority" complaining about something that almost always is never intended to be harmful in anyway.

and when that happens, look out for the mathematicians to be pissed off.
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and one more note, i am NOT racist in any way, and i consider myself a liberal on most issues.

but freedom of speech and expression is a rite we all share.

if a team comes along that's called the "white men are fascists", i honestly couldn't give a rat's ass even if as a white man am being slandered.
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Well, political correctness can be taken too far I guess.
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They were massacred, so why not being humiliated again?
And why not a team called White trash ? Or the Proud American Nazis ?
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Why not cut a deal...no more native american sports team nicknames, college or pro, and no more casinos on tribal land.



When I was in college, sometime in the previous millenium...my alma mater had some protest about the mascot/nickname. I went to UMass and the mascot is the Minuteman. Some folks considered it to be "sexist and militaristic". One of the comics in the school paper ran a series trying to come up with a new mascot which would not offend anyone, and the result was the "Silly Old Gumper Bunnies".
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^ What about the old bunnies? Don't you think they found that disrespectful and demeaning??


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Why not cut a deal...no more native american sports team nicknames, college or pro, and no more casinos on tribal land.
Why not giving them back their original land and returning to Europe ?
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I love it when white people argue about whether or not they can insult me.
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Just to throw a little in here, what about the Florida State Seminoles?? Who have the full blessing and endorsement of the Seminole tribe in FL to use their name. Is that wrong? Is the NCAA telling the Seminole tribe they should be offended? discuss.
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Just to throw a little in here, what about the Florida State Seminoles?? Who have the full blessing and endorsement of the Seminole tribe in FL to use their name. Is that wrong? Is the NCAA telling the Seminole tribe they should be offended? discuss.
Supposedly the NCAA has mentioned other Seminole tribes who haven't given their blessing to support their argument.
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