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Old 12-13-2007, 04:09 PM   #151
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So what was with all the hype? That list doesn't have any surprises, other than Clemens.

Looks like the entire league was probably on steriods, but these fools were unfortunate to get caught.

The only positive I want to come out of this is tougher testing in the sport. Move to Olympic test methods.
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Old 12-13-2007, 04:22 PM   #152
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It's bogus because its 2007, not 1998,1999, 2000, 2001 or 2003. It's also bogus because most of the basis for these names are simply one witness or one interview for each individual. If Rocket or Andy are guilty, I've got no problem with it. But, Mitchell is relying on mostly one person for each individual to merit his naming that person. Quite frankly, it's damn irresponsible.
The only supplier-types who would talk to him were McNamee & Radomski. Clearly Radomski is/was in NY, so a lot of the names were NY guys and Orioles it seems.

The point of the Mitchell investigation was to determine the extent of PED use in baseball, and I think it paints a pretty accurate picture. The names list is just a by-product.
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bogus... ha. you're bogus.

yea, senator mitchell is going to risk his entire career by printing false information. what's next.. wait i know, i've already heard it on the FAN... he went after the yankees 'cause he's a red sox guy!

gimmie an F'ing break.

mitchell got mcnamee's name from the F'ing federal government. mcnamee was hired by the yankees at clemens' suggestion.

bogus? please.
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bogus... ha. you're bogus.

yea, senator mitchell is going to risk his entire career by printing false information. what's next.. wait i know, i've already heard it on the FAN... he went after the yankees 'cause he's a red sox guy!

gimmie an F'ing break.

mitchell got mcnamee's name from the F'ing federal government. mcnamee was hired by the yankees at clemens' suggestion.

bogus? please.
was it callers or Mike and Mad Dog that were playing the Red Sox card regarding Mitchell?

Either way, Dog must be loving the list with all the Yankees.
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callers... dumb dumb callers.

half the 2000 yankees are on this list.

as are a large number of former mets, including my idol as kid, lenny dykstra.

such is life... i sorta figured he was juicing a long time ago.
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do i really have to see steve phillips on tv when there were a number of players on this list who were mets when he was the GM?
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Old 12-13-2007, 05:38 PM   #157
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bogus... ha. you're bogus.

yea, senator mitchell is going to risk his entire career by printing false information. what's next.. wait i know, i've already heard it on the FAN... he went after the yankees 'cause he's a red sox guy!

gimmie an F'ing break.

mitchell got mcnamee's name from the F'ing federal government. mcnamee was hired by the yankees at clemens' suggestion.

bogus? please.
If you're watching ESPN, I'm not the only one who feels its bogus. In the past, you've been skeptical about things (and rightly so) and I'm very skeptical about this whole investigation.

Steve Phillips admitted earlier that when he was the Mets GM, he might've assumed guys were juicing, but he really didn't care because nothing was illegal yet. Don't ask don't tell.
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Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettite
Chuck Knoblauch
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
FP Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.

From 124-222



Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Mike Judd
Ricky Stone
Daniel Naulty

222-233

I believe that ends the naming portion there.
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It's bogus because its 2007, not 1998,1999, 2000, 2001 or 2003. It's also bogus because most of the basis for these names are simply one witness or one interview for each individual. If Rocket or Andy are guilty, I've got no problem with it. But, Mitchell is relying on mostly one person for each individual to merit his naming that person. Quite frankly, it's damn irresponsible.
Ah, no. According to the report, they were able to get confirmation of what those individuals said from other sources. Read it again.
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All I'm going to tell you is that I'm skeptical about this whole investigation.
And we all know that I'm certainly entitled to my opinion.
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It looked pretty well-researched from what I read.
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Everything said by that New York guy was backed by corroborating evidence. In fact, he left six names of the list that had no other evidence.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...itchell_Report

Just realized I pretty much wasted my time doing that.
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My favorite part of the report is the scanned checks from the players themselves.
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And we all know that I'm certainly entitled to my opinion.

This is a valid argument if we are discussing our favorite colors or whether or not McDonalds or Burger King makes a better french fry. Appealing to your right to have an opinion, however is NOT a valid argument when we are discussing matters pertaining to fact.
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