MLB Lukewarm Stove Edition - Page 9 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Lemonade Stand > Lemonade Stand Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 02-03-2006, 03:24 PM   #121
Blue Crack Addict
 
phanan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: in the darkness on the edge of town
Posts: 25,062
Local Time: 11:58 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by shrmn8rpoptart in the last MLB thread
i predict we win 80 games this year. and in the nl west, that could be enough to win the division.
__________________

__________________
phanan is offline  
Old 02-04-2006, 12:29 AM   #122
Refugee
 
cjboog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Washington State, USA
Posts: 1,326
Local Time: 08:58 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Hewson
Yes, and the Sonics will win the NBA title too...things are good in Seattle these days.
(45,764 days of straight rain will cloud your judgement of reality just a tad.)
You just wait....Jarrod Washburn and Carl Everett are going to save the Mariners! If Beltre actually makes contact this year, we are going a long ways!
__________________

__________________
cjboog is offline  
Old 02-04-2006, 04:45 AM   #123
Acrobat
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 361
Local Time: 04:58 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by cjboog


You just wait....Jarrod Washburn and Carl Everett are going to save the Mariners! If Beltre actually makes contact this year, we are going a long ways!
Carl Everett will make it an interesting year for the Mariners. Maybe he'll start talking again about how he doesn't believe that dinosaurs existed. I guess its better that he talks about that than taking things out on umpires. I was sure glad when he became a former Red Sox player.
__________________
redsoxfan is offline  
Old 02-04-2006, 07:52 PM   #124
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
speedracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: MD
Posts: 7,573
Local Time: 11:58 PM
Apparently A-Rod is a new Duke fan. Somehow, I am not surprised.
__________________
speedracer is offline  
Old 02-06-2006, 08:18 AM   #125
Blue Crack Addict
 
Hewson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Your own private Idaho
Posts: 26,486
Local Time: 11:58 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by cjboog


You just wait....Jarrod Washburn and Carl Everett are going to save the Mariners! If Beltre actually makes contact this year, we are going a long ways!
I'm very patient.
I can wait.
__________________
Hewson is offline  
Old 02-06-2006, 11:26 AM   #126
Blue Crack Distributor
 
Headache in a Suitcase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Stateless
Posts: 56,427
Local Time: 11:58 PM
i thought i'd read it all... but that was until someone said that carl "don't tell me 'bout no dinosaurs" everett and jared washburn would carry a team to the promised land.

now, i think i've read it all.
__________________
Headache in a Suitcase is offline  
Old 02-06-2006, 11:28 AM   #127
Blue Crack Addict
 
phanan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: in the darkness on the edge of town
Posts: 25,062
Local Time: 11:58 PM
As long as we post here, I doubt it...
__________________
phanan is offline  
Old 02-06-2006, 11:29 AM   #128
Blue Crack Distributor
 
Headache in a Suitcase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Stateless
Posts: 56,427
Local Time: 11:58 PM
point
__________________
Headache in a Suitcase is offline  
Old 02-09-2006, 11:23 PM   #129
Blue Crack Distributor
 
Headache in a Suitcase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Stateless
Posts: 56,427
Local Time: 11:58 PM
ESPN.com's Buster Olney
Quote:
We are a week away from pitchers and catchers reporting, and Rafael Palmeiro still doesn't have a job. It could be that his career is over, and an arc of the Steroid Era that began at Mississippi State more than two decades ago is now complete.
Will Clark and Palmeiro were teammates at Mississippi State. In the spring of 1985, Clark was the star prospect, while Palmeiro was highly regarded -- but not in the same way as Clark. A major league scout filed these reports in early May of that year.

About Clark, he wrote, in blocked handwriting: "Has all the tools. Powerful stroke -- makes contact." Clark received a power rating of 8 at that time. About Palmeiro, the same scout reported: "Continues to generate great bat speed and make contact. Line drive power -- ball jumps off the bat." Palmeiro received a power rating of 6.

A month or so later, a scout with the same team wrote this about Clark: "Home run type stroke. Upper deck type of power." And he gave him a power rating of 9 -- very good. The first scout saw Palmeiro a second time, and again rated his power at a 6 -- high average. "Graceful, laid-back type player, but do not mistake this for laziness!" the scout wrote. "Quiet type with fragile ego. Type who cannot be screamed at. Very important to get off on right foot in pro ball."

Clark was taken second overall, by the Giants. The Cubs picked Palmeiro late in the first round, at No. 22.

And Palmeiro was a good player right away. He batted .276 in 84 games in 1987, and in his first full season, in 1988, Palmeiro hit .307, with eight homers, five triples, 41 doubles, and 124 singles.

His old college teammate? Clark was a bona fide star immediately. Four months older than Palmeiro, he broke into the big leagues with a home run in his first at-bat, against Nolan Ryan. In 1987, Clark clubbed 35 homers, 29 doubles, five triples and drove in 91 runs, with a .308 batting average. He would quickly become the face of the Giants franchise, hitting his 150th career homer in 1992, when he turned 28. In the same summer, Palmeiro was still shy of his 100th career homer.

But Clark had started to show signs of wear and tear. And suddenly, in the summer of 1993, Palmeiro went from being a good power hitter to something very different, hammering 37 home runs. It was his first full season as a teammate of Jose Canseco.

Both Clark and Palmeiro became eligible for free agency after the 1993 season, and Orioles executives wanted to sign Clark. But new owner Peter Angelos vetoed that deal because of concerns about whether Clark's body would break down, and he signed Palmeiro instead. By then, Palmeiro was open about how frustrated he was with the attention Clark received; he had always been lost in Clark's shadow. His jealousy of Clark was an open secret.

As the former teammates each moved beyond his 30th birthday, they were changing places. Palmeiro was either approaching or surpassing 40 homers every year, while Clark was going through a regression that had once been fairly typical. The nagging injuries reduced his playing time: At age 32, he managed just 117 games; the next year, 110. He was having a hard time staying healthy, but Palmeiro and some of Clark's other generational peers were generating staggering production.

Clark had a nice, if unspectacular, finish to his career, wrapping up at age 36, a typical career path -- Jackie Robinson played his last game at 37, while Joe DiMaggio and Mickey Mantle each retired at 36. In Clark's final season, he batted .319 with 21 homers and 70 RBI in 2000. In Clark's last summer, Palmeiro blasted 39 homers and drove in 120 runs. It was as if he was ageless, compared to his college teammate.

Clark closed a very good career with 2,176 hits and 284 homers. Palmeiro, however, was destined to hit 169 homers after Clark retired, including his 500th homer in 2003, his 550th homer near the end of 2004.

Palmeiro had Hall of Fame numbers. His college teammate, once considered to be more talented, more dynamic -- and once even a markedly better major league hitter -- wasn't a serious Hall of Fame candidate. His respectable numbers have been obliterated by Palmeiro and others in their generation.

In July of 2005, Palmeiro picked up his 3,000th career hit, but observers said at the time they found him to be strangely subdued.

As it turned out, his appeal for a positive steroid test was being heard -- and a couple of weeks later, the appeal was denied. And Palmeiro became the most prominent player ever to be suspended for steroid use.

When Clark was asked in a radio interview what he would say to Palmeiro, his response was blunt: Partner, you got caught. Their careers, and their relationship, could be the prism through which we could view the entire steroid era.
__________________
Headache in a Suitcase is offline  
Old 02-10-2006, 07:42 AM   #130
Blue Crack Addict
 
Hewson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Your own private Idaho
Posts: 26,486
Local Time: 11:58 PM
So Raffi's steroid use was to get out of Will the Thrill's shadow.
__________________
Hewson is offline  
Old 02-10-2006, 08:06 AM   #131
Blue Crack Distributor
 
Headache in a Suitcase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Stateless
Posts: 56,427
Local Time: 11:58 PM
it is a fascinating comparison to look at the two careers side by side... you can really see the effect of steroid use
__________________
Headache in a Suitcase is offline  
Old 02-10-2006, 08:47 AM   #132
Blue Crack Addict
 
Hewson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Your own private Idaho
Posts: 26,486
Local Time: 11:58 PM
No doubt.
And Palmeiro's jealousy of Clark was well documented 15 or so years ago, so its certainly plausible that the steroid use was correlated to a desire to outshine Clark.
__________________
Hewson is offline  
Old 02-10-2006, 09:17 AM   #133
Blue Crack Addict
 
phanan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: in the darkness on the edge of town
Posts: 25,062
Local Time: 11:58 PM
What will be just as fascinating is to see what their health will be like as they age.
__________________
phanan is offline  
Old 02-10-2006, 10:05 AM   #134
Blue Crack Addict
 
Hewson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Your own private Idaho
Posts: 26,486
Local Time: 11:58 PM
And who uses more Viagra.
__________________
Hewson is offline  
Old 02-10-2006, 10:06 AM   #135
Blue Crack Addict
 
phanan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: in the darkness on the edge of town
Posts: 25,062
Local Time: 11:58 PM
__________________

__________________
phanan is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com