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Old 10-31-2005, 10:03 PM   #1
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Looks like it's back to business as usual with the Red Sox ownership. This new regime promised not to do the dirty dealing and backstabbing the John Harrington Post-Yawkey era was famous for. See Mo Vaughn and Roger Clemens as examples.

As frustrated as I am with Theo leaving (First reaction was are fucking kidding me, followed by a profanity laden tirade). I can't blame him at all. Larry Lucchino proved how shady he really is. The deal was in place over the weekend, and then Lucchino, presumably him at least, went and leaked the details of the negotiations to Dan Shaughnessy. Danny-boy wrote an article in the Boston Globe, exposing all the dirty secrets and Theo didn't like it one bit. Theo probably saw this as a complete breach of trust between the two and the last straw. What else could cause him to turn down $1.5 million a year?

Boston is an extremely difficult place to play. The fans don't make it easy on anyone here. The players and owners often wind up in the "Inside Track" so we can follow there every move. Theo probably grew sick and tired of this as well.

Who knows how much of an effect this will have on the franchise. Damon, Manny, et al all need to be dealt with on top of finding a new GM willing to deal with Lucchino. There could be some dark days ahead in Boston. It really seems like the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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theo grew up a die hard red sox fan, accomplished the thing that most people thought would never happen... and they go and try to low ball him on contract negotiations.

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and here we thought brian cashman would be the one to be leaving...
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This Boston Herald writer essentially accused Shaughnessy (you know, the Curse of the Bambino guy) of acting as Lucchino's shill and smearing Theo Epstein in this piece.

And people wonder why Boston didn't win for 86 years. There's no curse, just a lot of people being pushed out/leaving on bad terms, bitterness and acrimony.
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Dan Shaughnessy deserved a real swift kick in the nuts for starting the whole curse of the bambino crap and this just solidifies it.
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Thanks to Dan Shaughnessy and Larry Lucchino. You guys really know how to fuck up a good thing.
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Theo just realized he'd rather spend 2006 following Pearl Jam around the world on tour.
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This Boston Herald writer essentially accused Shaughnessy (you know, the Curse of the Bambino guy) of acting as Lucchino's shill and smearing Theo Epstein in this piece.
How is it that the Boston sports media always winds up making themselves apart of the story?

Anyways, nice going Lucchino and Shank.
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schmucks like shaughnessy flourish because there's enough fans that read his drivel.
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I don't agree with Shaughnessy's views on this, but he does have a right to state them. It's his job, after all (even though we all know he's in bed with Lucchino).

The thing that pisses me off is the timing. If Shaughnessy had any sense at all, he would have at least waited until today to publish that column. I don't care if Lucchino (or one of his associates) gave him the info. to purposely publish it while negotiations were still going on - if you have any brains, you wait a few days. It doesn't guarantee that a deal would have been done, but at least this whole scenario would have played out without him there to fuck things up.
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schmucks like shaughnessy flourish because there's enough fans that read his drivel.
Nice dig at Bosaton fans.
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So is this indeed a sign that the Bosox are one hit wonders, having one of the biggest factors in their success walk out the door? Are they the East Coast Diamondbacks, after all?
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Nice dig at Bosaton fans.
thanks, but that wasn't what i was trying to do... new yorker's do the same thing with pete vescy.

schmucks abound everywhere.
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i'd like to know why boston was willing to give billy beane, who's done absolutely nothing... 2.5 million a year in 2002... but they don't want to give the guy who won for boston what they haven't won in 86 friggin years any more than 1.5 million.

unbelievable.
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Theo didn't depart over money, the $1.5mil was satisfactory to him. He left over a power struggle/political hierarchy within the organization.
That and his desire to follow Pearl Jam in 2006.
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yea they always say they didn't leave over money... but i'm willing to bet if boston offered theo the deal that they offered billy beane, theo would still be in beantown today.


and pearl jam hasn't announced a 2006 north american tour... yet.
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