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Old 11-23-2005, 11:01 AM   #91
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Viva lost Mets 2006 !!

1. Reyes
2. Beltran
3.Wright
4. Delgado
5. Floyd
6. Nady
7. V Diaz
8. Catcher

not bad at all.
who's on second? Actually who's on first whats on second but thats a different story.
I don't think Diaz could play second. Nady would be in right if Delgado is at first. If they sign Molina or Hernandez or trade for LoDuca Anderson Hernandez might play second.

Although if they trade for Loduca why not trade for Luis Castillo as well. (Don't really know what we would have to trade) since the mets tried to sign him anyways. ( Not my idea but I like it anyways).


I dont think I would want Manny now. I mean hes what pushing 34 and isnt a great fielder to start. Seems like trouble.

Unless he sees the mets add Wagner, Delgado...and perhaps a catcher, and says..."hmmm, they may be serious about winning, I don't give a shit about winning, but maybe I could hit in this lineup as well as I have in Boston and Cleveland)".

Bottom line his numbers wouldn't be as great here. They still would be very good, but no DH to rest him, so he would have to take games off. No prolific lineup(its looking good, but not Boston or Cleveland good).
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victor diaz was a second baseman in the minors, but i seriously doubt they'd have him at 2nd.

as for manny... the met fans who dislike manny make me nuts. we're talking about one of the greatest hitters and RBI guys we will ever see. an all time guy. we're not talking about bobby bonilla.


as for the lineup next year... my take as of now...

1. jose reyes - ss
2. carlos beltran - 2b
3. david wright - 3b
4. carlos delgado - 1b
5. cliff floyd - lf
6. victor diaz - rf
7. ramon hernandez - c
8. anderson hernandez - 2b
9. pitcher


now for the red sox fan... speaking of manny ramirez... last i heard you guys needed a first baseman... what would you think of delgado being spun off to boston now in part of a manny ramirez trade?
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TheBrush, if Manny were to come to the Mets, he can DH for all of the Interleague games in American League parks. That would give him at least a dozen nights off from playing the field.
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soriano might be the more logical, more affordable choice at this point.
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victor diaz was a second baseman in the minors, but i seriously doubt they'd have him at 2nd.

as for manny... the met fans who dislike manny make me nuts. we're talking about one of the greatest hitters and RBI guys we will ever see. an all time guy. we're not talking about bobby bonilla.


as for the lineup next year... my take as of now...

1. jose reyes - ss
2. carlos beltran - 2b
3. david wright - 3b
4. carlos delgado - 1b
5. cliff floyd - lf
6. victor diaz - rf
7. ramon hernandez - c
8. anderson hernandez - 2b
9. pitcher


now for the red sox fan... speaking of manny ramirez... last i heard you guys needed a first baseman... what would you think of delgado being spun off to boston now in part of a manny ramirez trade?

ummmmm....so wheres Nady, I think hes better both a better hitter and fielder than Diaz. Are you assuming they will trade him? Or do you think he will be used as a utility guy at first and in right. I would still think he would start.

I know he was a 2B in the minors, but he wasnt exactly Rogers Hornsby.



I don't hate Manny, Hes a great hitter. But there would be a bit of a drop off at shea, bc of playing time and lineup.

True we are not talking about Bobby Bo. Maybe robby asshole though. Remember the discussions when Alomar came to the mets about being the best second baseman and who cares if hes old or played entirely in the AL. Well no one say that coming. And the town got on him in a sec. and if Manny would get off to the start he got off to this year the fans would want want him out as quickly as they wanted him in.
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soriano might be the more logical, more affordable choice at this point.

Again, A guy in a great hitters park, and in a great hitting lineup. I shudder at the thought of this.

where would he hit. Reyes and Beltran 1/2. I mean the top of the lineup looks good.

I don't mean to be hatting on your suggestions, they may very well happen, I just don't want to see them happen. But Since Im not the GM I doubt I have any say in what the mets do........I will be lucky if I am still their starting catcher this year. Hey guys im affordable. After all the spending that might be done, I might be a reasonable option. My marketing campaign....." I may not be good...but at least Im slow"
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Bottom line his numbers wouldn't be as great here. They still would be very good, but no DH to rest him, so he would have to take games off.
Manny only DHed 2 games last season for Red Sox. There has actually been a steady decline in the amount of games he has DHed.

2001 - 87
2002 - 50
2003 - 26
2004 - 18
2005 - 2


He's by no means a gold glover, but he isn't completely incapable either. Sure, he'll have some boneheaded plays but what he does with the bat more than offsets this.


In addition, according to David Ortiz, Manny wants to go to a West Coast team, so not the Mets. Then again, Ortiz was also the guy who last year said there was no way Pedro was going to the Mets.
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as for the lineup next year... my take as of now...

1. jose reyes - ss
2. carlos beltran - 2b
3. david wright - 3b
4. carlos delgado - 1b
5. cliff floyd - lf
6. victor diaz - rf
7. ramon hernandez - c
8. anderson hernandez - 2b
9. pitcher
having 2 guys to cover the second base position would be an interesting strategy. but i guess it would guarantee no ground ball woul dget through there
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TheBrush, if Manny were to come to the Mets, he can DH for all of the Interleague games in American League parks. That would give him at least a dozen nights off from playing the field.
Yea, but you know he would need day games after night games off.

I know someone mentioned moving Floyd while we could still get something good for him while hes at his peak value( maybe you or headache said this) and I agree, but I would really hate to see the mets give up Milledge for Manny.


BAH!!! I dont know anymore........


Im saying this now, but if a trade like that happened, I would be on this board talking about how excited I am, LOL.
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having 2 guys to cover the second base position would be an interesting strategy. but i guess it would guarantee no ground ball woul dget through there
We had two guys at first a while back......MO and Vaughn and plenty got through there.
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having 2 guys to cover the second base position would be an interesting strategy. but i guess it would guarantee no ground ball woul dget through there

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ummmmm....so wheres Nady, I think hes better both a better hitter and fielder than Diaz. Are you assuming they will trade him? Or do you think he will be used as a utility guy at first and in right. I would still think he would start.

I know he was a 2B in the minors, but he wasnt exactly Rogers Hornsby.



I don't hate Manny, Hes a great hitter. But there would be a bit of a drop off at shea, bc of playing time and lineup.

True we are not talking about Bobby Bo. Maybe robby asshole though. Remember the discussions when Alomar came to the mets about being the best second baseman and who cares if hes old or played entirely in the AL. Well no one say that coming. And the town got on him in a sec. and if Manny would get off to the start he got off to this year the fans would want want him out as quickly as they wanted him in.
xavier nady is a bench player. that's what he was in san diego, i have no reason to think that he'd be anything more with the mets, unless of course they trade more guys and a spot opens up.

as for roberto alomar? come on now... are you really comparing roberto alomar to manny ramirez?

look my dislike for the red sox is well documented... but damn it, manny ramirez is one of the greatest hitters i have ever seen. look at his batting average, homers and RBIs since 1998...

1998 - cleveland - .294, 45, 145
1999 - cleveland - .333 44 165
2000 - cleveland - .351 38 122
2001 - boston - .306 41 125
2002 - boston - .349 33 107
2003 - boston - .325 37 104
2004 - boston - .308 43 130
2005 - boston - .292 45 144

the man is a beast... and let's remember, he got off to an absolutely horrific start last year... and still ended up hitting 45 and 144.

please don't ever put manny and roberto alomar in the same sentance again.
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more on the mets potentialy turning into the yankees...

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But it's true. No matter how much cash the Mets insert in the wallets of free agents, Manny Ramirez, Carlos Delgado or all those talented and charming players they already have added this winter, their luxury tax next year is guaranteed to be exactly ... zilch.

Same with the Angels, who were No. 4 (just behind the Mets) in the 2005 payroll standings. Or the Phillies, who were No. 5. Or any other team not known as the Yankees or Red Sox.

That's because -- as first noted by CNN.com's Chris Isidore -- back in the crazed pre-agreement hours leading to the 2002 labor deal, the frenzied labor negotiators inserted a mysterious clause into the impending deal.

That clause says, essentially (in language way more complicated than this) that any team that didn't pay luxury tax in the 2005 season is 100 percent off the hook in 2006.
and also... they have a new network starting this year, which is a gold mine.

they also will be breaking ground on a new stadium within the year... which not only amount to a huge increase in revenue come the expected 2009 completion, but on top of that... as per the current CBA, if you build a new stadium with your own money, you do not have to pay luxary tax for the length of the construction (which means the yankees won't have to, either)
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now for the red sox fan... speaking of manny ramirez... last i heard you guys needed a first baseman... what would you think of delgado being spun off to boston now in part of a manny ramirez trade?
Now that is an interesting theory. Delgado has had proven numbers every year, and while he still isn't on Manny's level, it would take care of 1B and get out of his contract, which is quite larger than Delgado's.

I don't think that's such a bad idea.

Then again, Delgado is still due $48 million over the next three years while Manny has $57 million left. That isn't such a major difference and Manny is a more fearsome batter than Delgado, so another player would have to be included to intice the Red Sox more, I think.
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Manny only DHed 2 games last season for Red Sox. There has actually been a steady decline in the amount of games he has DHed.

2001 - 87
2002 - 50
2003 - 26
2004 - 18
2005 - 2
Of course, the main reason for this was the arrival of Ortiz, who has DHed almost exclusively in Boston the last three years.
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