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Old 08-01-2005, 09:56 AM   #301
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Say goodbye to Cooperstown Mr. Pameiro. It would've been better had he been caught smoking crack or with a hooker.
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Say goodbye to Cooperstown Mr. Pameiro. It would've been better had he been caught smoking crack or with a hooker.
Just ask Eugene Robinson
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This really makes me wonder what he was thinking. He says he never "knowingly" put a banned substance in his body. Well, okay, so what. I haven't read what the banned substance they found was. Does anyone know?
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I never thought I'd be saying this, but it looks like Jose Canseco might actually be a credible source on steroid users.
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if it werent a random test, Sammy probably would have been "outed" too. Look how skinny some of these guys look, Sammy looks like he's lost at least 20 pounds.

That's really the true shame. Some guys get nailed and some guys get a free pass. Bonds will be clean as a whistle by the time he's back. Sammy is probably close to done in a year or two.
Both of them will make it to Cooperstown even though we know they were both juiced for a half a decade at least.

Raffy and Big Mac are going to have a hard time getting support.
But if we are honest about it, you can't leave these guys out and put Bonds, Sosa and others in.

So what can you do?

I'd blame baseball in general, players and management for not cleaning up the game sooner and vote Raffy, Sosa, and Big Mac in. Because there is no way of truly knowing how much or how little they were truly juiced and how much it truly help.

Is there any fair way to do it? I say all or nothing.
You either leave the ballot blank on all these guys and when someone like Maddux, Clemens, Griffey Jr even Jeter and ARod goes in, it will truly mean something. .
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This really makes me wonder what he was thinking. He says he never "knowingly" put a banned substance in his body. Well, okay, so what. I haven't read what the banned substance they found was. Does anyone know?
They haven't said. The closest thing to an answer was the following line in the story:

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Palmeiro wouldn't go into the specifics but left the impression that the banned substance was contained in a supplement that was not prescribed.
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I never thought I'd be saying this, but it looks like Jose Canseco might actually be a credible source on steroid users.
maybe this means jose consecos also a good source to who cheats on their wives

Edit: No one would get that unless they read his book
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Old 08-01-2005, 04:00 PM   #308
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Raffy and Big Mac are going to have a hard time getting support.
But if we are honest about it, you can't leave these guys out and put Bonds, Sosa and others in.

So what can you do?

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I don't think Bonds and Sosa are "for sure" Hall of Famers. Bonds did admit to using steriods after all.
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Sammy looks like he's lost at least 20 pounds.
I think its the Orioles Uniforms - they are quite "slimming" compared to the Cubbies jerseys. Let me try and explain...Pinstripes as opposed to black. EVERYONE knows "verticle strpies" add ten pounds and "black" (like the O's warm-up and Sunday alternates) are "slimming" - Sammy is just using fashion to his advantage...like cork in a practice bat!
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I don't think Bonds and Sosa are "for sure" Hall of Famers. Bonds did admit to using steriods after all.
You don't think Bonds is a sure fire Hall of Famer?

Half of the "analyists" out there already claim him to be the best player of all time
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I think its the Orioles Uniforms - they are quite "slimming" compared to the Cubbies jerseys. Let me try and explain...Pinstripes as opposed to black. EVERYONE knows "verticle strpies" add ten pounds and "black" (like the O's warm-up and Sunday alternates) are "slimming" - Sammy is just using fashion to his advantage...like cork in a practice bat!
Horizontal stripes add 10 lbs dude. Not vertical.
Nice try though.
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You don't think Bonds is a sure fire Hall of Famer?

Half of the "analyists" out there already claim him to be the best player of all time
Yes, the best player to use steriods of all time. Bonds disgusts me.
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Horizontal stripes add 10 lbs dude. Not vertical.
Nice try though.



The average baseball fan doesn't know that though....
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Yes, the best player to use steriods of all time. Bonds disgusts me.
I can't stand Bonds either, but on his numbers alone (despite how he got them), and by how many MVPs he's won, he'll get in easily.
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Theres no way, steroids or no steroids, that Bonds will be left out of the hall of fame.

like phanan said, his numbers alone and then add in the MVP's... hes an undenible hall of famer.

but this will open a bag of worms with pete rose again too i bet eventually.
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