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Old 07-30-2005, 09:58 AM   #286
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additionally, if the red sox were lucky enough for someone to take ramirez's contract, they could easily pursue other deals and other free agents instead of being stuck with that massive salary.

id love to have manny on my team, the guy can hit, but at that price?
Yeah, Manny's $20,000,000 per year could be used to land themselves 2 top shelf players.
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exactly, if they were able to pick up Aubrey Huff, imo a top shelf player, and free up that amount of salary, they'd have Huff, a top FA, Cameron, and an above avg FA, and possibly clear salary to deal for Wagner and sign him to a longer deal.

Dealing Manny would not be a bad thing for the Red Sox, but it wouldn't be a good thing unless they played their cards right.
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espn.com is reporting the deal is very much still alive...

i am drooling at the possability of manny ramirez becoming a met... see... there i go... drooling...

he's manny fucking ramirez for pete's sake... the only other hitters in his class are pujols, a-rod and bonds if he's healthy and roided. he's an rbi machine... he's having a bad year, and he's still leading the majors in RBI. manny fucking ramirez.




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yes, having manny ramirez, carlos beltran, david wright, jose reyes, cliff floyd would be one hell of an offense.

plus the mets would get baez to help the bullpen. the mets would give up a decent bit to get manny in the deal, but it's likely worth it if theyre willing to take on that salary.


The Red Sox would acquire Mets outfielder Mike Cameron and pitcher Aaron Heilman, and Devil Rays outfielder/designated hitter Aubrey Huff; the Mets would get Ramirez, reliever Danys Baez and shortstop Julio Lugo; and the Devil Rays would still get four prospects, but the prospects are being reconsidered.



yea, so the difference is aaron heilman. big deal. and julio lugo. lugo's actually not bad.
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Because they will get rid of Chan Ho Park.


touche.

But I'd rather retain a subpar pitcher in a subpar rotation than add a subpar hitter to a stellar lineup.

Just creates another hole in the rotation
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Many has 3 years left on his deal. Is it financially killing the Sox? No. Unloading the contract increases their flexibility, but they also lose one of the best hitters in the league.

I hardly think the Mets are giving up anything in this deal. Two prospects and a crappy outfielder for an All Star closer and MVP candidate??? That doesn't really add up. But then again this is the team that has Bobby Bonilla on the payroll through 2049 so logical moves aren't their speciality
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looks like the many deal with the mets according to espn is dead

but i think hed look good in a whitesox uniform

and i bet the red sox would love jose contreras
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i officialy hate the fucking devil rays...

it appears as if this deal was set to get done until the devil rays wanted every top prospect from both the mets and the red sox included in the deal. it appeared as if the mets were willing to send top pitching prospect petite and top hitting prospect milledge, but boston, rightully so, was a little leary over sending their top two prospects and their best hitter in one trade. the mets and red sox dropped the devil rays and have been trying to get the deal done themselves, but thus far it's not working.

if i'm omar... if i can't get manny or soriano by the 4pm deadline tommorow, i simply hold out of any trade and wait till the offseason, and then retry to acquire ramirez from the red sox in the offseason, when it should be a much easier thing to get done.
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touche.

But I'd rather retain a subpar pitcher in a subpar rotation than add a subpar hitter to a stellar lineup.

Just creates another hole in the rotation
Yes but keep in mind that you can place Nevin in the rotation and net better results than you would have with Park.
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i officialy hate the fucking devil rays...

it appears as if this deal was set to get done until the devil rays wanted every top prospect from both the mets and the red sox included in the deal. it appeared as if the mets were willing to send top pitching prospect petite and top hitting prospect milledge, but boston, rightully so, was a little leary over sending their top two prospects and their best hitter in one trade. the mets and red sox dropped the devil rays and have been trying to get the deal done themselves, but thus far it's not working.

if i'm omar... if i can't get manny or soriano by the 4pm deadline tommorow, i simply hold out of any trade and wait till the offseason, and then retry to acquire ramirez from the red sox in the offseason, when it should be a much easier thing to get done.
Agreed. Its weird that nothing has gone down and its nearly 1230. The only trade I have seen so far is the Cruz Jr. trade. (well Nevin but thats old news)

The mets are fading fast anyway. Lost 5 of 6 OUCH!!!
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Manny: GWRBI
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It made absolutely no sense for the Red Sox to give up Ramirez. Huff's a decent player, but he's not going to come anywhere close to Manny's numbers ever. And although some money would have been freed up to pick up someone else in the offseason, I don't think it would have mattered too much. The Mets certainly weren't going to take a lot of Manny's contract - the Sox would still be paying a huge chunk, so the amount of extra money wouldn't have made a huge difference.

Not doing anything was the best move.
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Manny has declared Boston as the place for him!

The man's definitely got some serious issues, but none of them come with a bat in his hand, and I'm glad the D-Bag_Rays were too demanding and the deal got quashed.

I think he may have realized that if he disliked the microscope he's under in Boston, and the only place he had a shot of getting traded to was NY, that Boston would be an easier place to live. The press in NY would be merciless when he pissed on that big apple in center field.
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As if things weren't bad enough for the Orioles, Palmeiro just got busted...
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As if things weren't bad enough for the Orioles, Palmeiro just got busted...
Whaaaaaa?
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