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Old 09-21-2005, 10:50 PM   #271
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If the playoffs started now, the Red Sox would be playing golf.
well the whitesox would be playing wiffle ball
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He should be in the Hall. For 12 years, from 75-86, he was arguably the best hitter in baseball. I think only Mike Schmidt hit more home-runs?

I remember watching a game where the Sox were playing at the Wanks, and Rice went near the stands to chase a foul ball. He lost his hat over the wall, and started looking for it, only to see a Wankee fan running up the stands with it.

What did he do? He jumped the wall and chased the guy up the stairs and took his hat back. Fucking classic!
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It's a good thing the Red Sox finish the season at Fenway. They're gonna need the home games.
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He should be in the Hall. For 12 years, from 75-86, he was arguably the best hitter in baseball. I think only Mike Schmidt hit more home-runs?

I remember watching a game where the Sox were playing at the Wanks, and Rice went near the stands to chase a foul ball. He lost his hat over the wall, and started looking for it, only to see a Wankee fan running up the stands with it.

What did he do? He jumped the wall and chased the guy up the stairs and took his hat back. Fucking classic!
dude I saw that game on TV. There was all kinds of crazy stuff happening that day, if it's the same game I remember.

This would have been a baseball game of the week, Saturday on NBC with Vin Scully and Joe Garagiola, of course you may have been there so you may not know about the TV thing. Around 85/86, or possibly 87. At Yankee stadium, the whole Sox teams went up in the stands

I remember some dude running out of the stands at Yankess stadium and trying to rip the padding off the wall. It was bizarre.
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anyone have an explanation for why the Yankees go to sleep offensively when Big Unit pitches? Seems like he suffered some of the same things in Arizona, I guess they figure it's going to be easy.

Also, it's not my argument Sox and Yank fans, my boys already clinched but I think most certainly a DH can win the MVP. Ever since the voters jumped the fuggin shark and gave it to Willie Hernandez back in the mid 80's. At least a DH could conceivably make the everday lineup.
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Also, it's not my argument Sox and Yank fans, my boys already clinched but I think most certainly a DH can win the MVP. Ever since the voters jumped the fuggin shark and gave it to Willie Hernandez back in the mid 80's. At least a DH could conceivably make the everday lineup. [/B][/QUOTE]

actually the voters jumped in 81 when they gave it to Rollie Fingers. Hernandez had a great season only blowing 1 save & that was in the last week.
anybody can be a DH but not many people win 20 games or save 40+ games..or actually aren't a liability that they play the field also. There's also a couple guys in texas who deserve some votes, they're having pretty good years.
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Right. Anyone can be a DH.

Does that mean anyone can have 46 homers and 140 RBI?
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Below is the AL MVP's since the DH was started...

2004 Vladimir Guerrero Anaheim RF
2003 Alex Rodriguez Texas SS
2002 Miguel Tejada Oakland SS
2001 Ichiro Suzuki Seattle RF
2000 Jason Giambi Oakland 1B
1999 Ivan Rodriguez Texas C
1998 Juan Gonzalez Texas OF
1997 Ken Griffey, Jr. Seattle OF
1996 Juan Gonzalez Texas OF
1995 Mo Vaughn Boston 1B
1994 Frank Thomas Chicago 1B
1993 Frank Thomas Chicago 1B
1992 Dennis Eckersley Oakland P
1991 Cal Ripken, Jr. Baltimore SS
1990 Rickey Henderson Oakland OF
1989 Robin Yount Milwaukee OF
1988 Jose Canseco Oakland OF
1987 George Bell Toronto OF
1986 Roger Clemens Boston P
1985 Don Mattingly New York 1B
1984 Willie Hernandez Detroit P
1983 Cal Ripken, Jr. Baltimore SS
1982 Robin Yount Milwaukee SS
1981 Rollie Fingers Milwaukee P
1980 George Brett Kansas City 3B
1979 Don Baylor California OF
1978 Jim Rice Boston OF
1977 Rod Carew Minnesota 1B
1976 Thurman Munson New York C
1975 Fred Lynn Boston OF
1974 Jeff Burroughs Texas

as you can see no DH has won & none will, just not that important of a position to warrant it.
Jim Rice played 28% of the 1978 season as a DH.
Don Baylor played 40% of the 1979 season as a DH.
Juan Gonzalez played 25% of the 1996 season as a DH.
Juan Gonzalzez played 25% of the 1998 season as a DH.

so your statement that no DH has ever won the MVP isn't entirely true... no full time DH has ever won, but there have been 4 American League MVP's who have played at least a quarter of their season as a DH... one, Baylor, played nearly half the season as a DH.

And in all honesty I agree with you that I don't like giving it to a DH over a guy with similar stats who's also a gold glove winner... but that's just me.

My only argument against Ortiz, besides the DH thing, is this...

If I'm putting together a team and I can take just one Yankee, I'm taking Alex Rodriguez.

If I'm putting together a team and I can take just one Red Sox, I'm taking Manny Ramirez.
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anyone have an explanation for why the Yankees go to sleep offensively when Big Unit pitches? Seems like he suffered some of the same things in Arizona, I guess they figure it's going to be easy.
you can use this exact statement and use it for so many of the great pitchers in the game...

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It's a good thing the Red Sox finish the season at Fenway. They're gonna need the home games.
Exactly...

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"If I'm putting together a team and I can take just one Red Sox, I'm taking Manny Ramirez"

If I had to pick one red sox it'd be Veratek
Manny's too much of a liability in the field.
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Exactly...

race will be over by then....with the yanks & clev in the post season
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race will be over by then....with the yanks & clev in the post season
You'd think Wankee fans, especially after last year, would realise it's not over until the last out is recorded.
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Exactly...

Unfortunately for you the Yankees go on the road, including the last three at Fenway.

No worries.
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Unfortunately for you the Yankees go on the road, including the last three at Fenway.

No worries.
That does not guarantee you much with the way the Red Sox is playing... I am not being over-optimistic but it is definetly the way this playoff run should end: with a series between the two.

And the Yankees still have the next 4 at home, one more with the Orioles and 3 with the Blue Jays...
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