MERGED ---> Rock Star: INXS + Rock star INXS + And the new lead singer of INXS is...

[Snowlock]

You said "American R&B" and that was what I was arguing against.

Also, you are now talking solely about their 5th album to their 10th (? or however many albums INXS made). You didn't say that before.

INXS were based here in Perth back when they were the Farris brothers and the radio is quite obsessed with "our boys" (even though they belong to Sydney) . I have heard their songs from the start of their career to the end, seen them live, have the vinyl, etc, blah. Im not being flippant for arguments sake and I do disagree with you.

How can one talk "soley" about 6 albums spanning around 15 years?

As to "american" r&b.. sorry if that's offensive to you. That sound along with just blues and soul was invented, pioneered, and is most widely recognized as American. Again, it's just a fact.


I think anyone who comes from a favorite band's country of origin wants to claim them as their own. But I think when the band becomes an international phenomenon, as INXS did, as U2 did, as any number of American bands did, I think they give up their own national bias for the most part and take influences from all over the globe and belong equally to a global community of fans. So I don't see how it's shameful to look for band mates outside their origin country, or that it's wrong to admit to influences beyond national borders.

Lets say the next Rockstar is Van Halen. I won't care if the lead singer is from the US, Canada, or Yugoslavia. As long as the guy can sing. I don't mind admitting when American singers/bands take influences from The Beatles, Led Zeppellin, New Order or whoever because the bands they're taking from have taken from someone else. I've read once that there's nothing that's been done in the last 40 years that wasn't already done by Chuck Berry.

Every artist is a poet, every poet is a thief.

 

[beli]

Like how Joy Division became New Order

foray

Exactly

And they did a very good job of it too

 

[beli]

How can one talk "soley" about 6 albums spanning around 15 years?

Your comments are referring solely to the second half of their career. You are not including the first 5 albums in your remarks. Thats what I meant by "solely".

As to "american" r&b.. sorry if that's offensive to you. That sound along with just blues and soul was invented, pioneered, and is most widely recognized as American. Again, it's just a fact.

Now you are misquoting me. I didnt say "american" r&b, I said "American R&B". Its not the "american" bit with which I disagree. INXS have a lot of soul influences and that comes from the USA.

So I don't see how it's shameful to look for band mates outside their origin country,

Looking for band mates outside the country of origin is perfectly acceptable. Basing the entire search in a foreign country is another matter. It would be appropriate if some Aussies could participate too. Yes, I know it was the chioce of the remaining members of INXS to base their search in the USA and Im not happy with the remaining members of INXS for doing this. Not that they care what I think.

or that it's wrong to admit to influences beyond national borders.

Im not saying that INXS dont have influences beyong national borders - they do. Theres a fair bit of Japanese influence in there too (The name of the style escapes me at the moment. Its to do with the rhythm. This is going to annoy me all day). Its solely the reference to "American R & B" to which Im objecting. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Angela Harlem]

snowlock do you have any idea of the context INXS emerged in, in australian music?

 

[one4u2]

I just watched the reality episode and for the first time throughout this show I don't have a good feeling for Mig

 

[deep]

snowlock do you have any idea of the context INXS emerged in, in australian music?

i guess I don't and most of the people that bought their records or listened to their muisic do not


as I said INXS is/ was a rock band FROM Australia to most of us here


trash MIdnight Oil all you want

but they were percieved as an Australian band.



I really do understand all the bitterness to these five guys

trying to get a second shot

 

[deep]

I just watched the reality episode and for the first time throughout this show I don't have a good feeling for Mig

sorry, if he was one of your favorites


they did say he looks like a rockstar.


who do you think the top two are now?

 

[beegee]

Like how Joy Division became New Order

bauhaus...love and rockets

nirvana...foo fighters

jane's addiction...porno for pyros


it can and SHOULD be done.

i can't watch this show because it physically hurts me.

 

[bsp77]

Based on last night's VH1 show, it looks like the band is trying to choose between Marty and JD.

 

[one4u2]

sorry, if he was one of your favorites


they did say he looks like a rockstar.


who do you think the top two are now?

He still is my favorite However, Marty is great just not for INXS!

 

[one4u2]

Based on last night's VH1 show, it looks like the band is trying to choose between Marty and JD.

Unless they are just screwing with us, which is possible-

 

[Snowlock]

snowlock do you have any idea of the context INXS emerged in, in australian music?

The context? I guess I don't. But that really doesn't matter to me (and I'm not saying I believe that it shouldn't matter to you). All I'm saying is it doesn't matter to me where a band is from, or on a personal level what they do with their careers. As long as the music is good I'm supportive.

 

[Snowlock]

Your comments are referring solely to the second half of their career. You are not including the first 5 albums in your remarks. Thats what I meant by "solely".

That's not the second half of their career though, it's over three quarters of their career.

Now you are misquoting me. I didnt say "american" r&b, I said "American R&B". Its not the "american" bit with which I disagree. INXS have a lot of soul influences and that comes from the USA.

So you are just disagreeing with R&B in general?

Looking for band mates outside the country of origin is perfectly acceptable. Basing the entire search in a foreign country is another matter. It would be appropriate if some Aussies could participate too. Yes, I know it was the chioce of the remaining members of INXS to base their search in the USA and Im not happy with the remaining members of INXS for doing this. Not that they care what I think.

Isn't MiG an Aussie? Plus, I would think that many Australian singers would feel as you and Angela do and wouldn't want to participate. And again, I just don't see what the problem is with having different band members from different parts of the world as long as the music is still good.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Ok!

nice

 

[timothius]

Midnight oil were loud and trashy. I detest them muchly. Midnight Oil sound like a bad USA heavy metal band to me.

You know what I'm going to say.



I can handle you second sentance. But getting past the first set of albums (up to 10,9,8.....1) - where did they sound loud & trashy?

Live they sounded anything but and on record I really can't put my finger on where that kind of comment could come from? If any recordings sounded "loud and trashy" it would usually come from the production side of things anyway - which is an element that The Oils & INXS had in common... Nick Lunay.

For what its worth Rob Hirst & Jim Moginie are regarded in most circles as musical geniuses, and PG may well be one of the brightest political minds in the country.

That being said... I completely agree with you analysis on why this TV program is a bad idea.

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

If any recordings sounded "loud and trashy" it would usually come from the production side of things anyway - which is an element that The Oils & INXS had in common... Nick Lunay.

nick only produced one inxs album though, and i wouldn't classify it as loud and trashy. i'm not saying midnight oil are loud and trashy, though.

 

[timothius]

nick only produced one inxs album though, and i wouldn't classify it as loud and trashy. i'm not saying midnight oil are loud and trashy, though.

Nick also remixed the Kick singles.

On the other hand he produced "10,9,8...1", "Red Sails In The Sunset" & Earth Sun & Moon (my personal favourite) with the Oils + the King Of The Mountain, Blue Sky Mine, Forgotten Years & The Dead Heart singles.

In any event, I gather that beli is going on their earlier work - which is fine its not uncommon for bands that ply their trade on the Sydney pub circuit to sound "loud & trashy"... just as long as its acknowledged that they developed into a far more musically adept machine by Deisel & Dust & then again for Earth Sun & Moon.

 

[one4u2]

Anyway...Back on topic..It is Tuesday performance night

 

[timothius]

Two singers are going destroy two legendary songs

No J.D. Sining Vegas isn't one of them.

 

[one4u2]

Two singers are going destroy two legendary songs

No J.D. Sining Vegas isn't one of them.

I actually thought JD was good tonight..

 

[bsp77]

I actually thought JD was good tonight..

JD was great. Regardless of what many think about him, he may be the best choice. Or maybe Marty.

I used to want Mig to win, but now I don't think he is right for the band. He sounded like the Phantom of the Opera singing Paint It Black.

 

[Queen Bee]

 

[U2DMfan]

Not tremendously impressed with anyone tonight, or at all for that matter.

Their best chance to not totally embarass themselves is still probably Marty. I think JD is probably the 2nd best choice now and saying that says all that really needs to be said about the choices.

A shame and disappointing on more than one level. I'm shocked the talent pool wasn't better.

Yes, some of them have a little redeeming value, but to step into a ready made famous band, you'd think it take some really undeniable chops. I think some of them have some talent, I am not trying to be a hard-ass. I just don't see udeniable talent. I see having to make arguments FOR it. I could make some arguments for each of these people, but it's not what you'd like to see.

I mean even Gary Cherone could sing his ass off. He didn't fit with Van Halen, but there was little denying he had talent. That and he had a decently succesful band of his own. Why does American Idol still thrive in America? They found a girl who had absolute undeniable talent. A brilliant voice, shitty music to my ears, but a brilliant voice in Kelly Clarkson. That, IMO is the only reason that show is still on the air.

These guys, Marty, JD, Mig and Suzie, all nice enough to front your local hard rock cover band, but INXS? C'MON. Yes, everyone has to start off somewhere but to front INXS, I'd like to think they could get better. This isn't an amatuer singing contest, and even in some of those cases they find a "diamond in the rough".

Could they have not been better suited to really expand this search? I don't recall seeing a single advertisement for this idea prior to the show airing. There isn't going to be another Rock Star:whoever unless they revamp the search process.

Forget about all of our deeply held problems with this WHOLE IDEA. But the fact that they went through with it, and still really didn't find a "diamond in the rough". That is almost as disappointing as doing it in the first place.

 

[U2DMfan]

Basically all I am saying is, even with all of the reservation each INXS fan on this board has about the entire process, if they had found a singer who really, really had "it", then it might very well have made the whole idea work. Because if it's undeniably good, do we really care how they found the singer?

I am not enough of an elitist/idealist anymore to care about that sort of thing, I'll leave that to you folks trying to impress your peers. At the end of the day it IS just the music that matters.

 

[deep]

I actually thought JD was good tonight..

he was good

and his pretty vegas

is very inxs

I used to want Mig to win, but now I don't think he is right for the band. He sounded like the Phantom of the Opera singing Paint It Black.

he seems like a nice guy

but, theater is his forte'

Their best ...is still probably Marty. I think JD is probably the 2nd best choice now

i agree

 

[one4u2]

he was good

and his pretty vegas

is very inxs

tht's because they wrote the music

 

[one4u2]

 

[bsp77]

tht's because they wrote the music

Yeah, I was wondering about that. Is it actually an INXS song with JD's lyrics (and megaphone) or did he just use a certain riff or melody? And, which song?

 

[one4u2]

I don't know exactly which song it is but it's JDs lyrics. It was annoying last night how they gave only JD and Marty their strongest songs

 

[deep]

I don't know exactly which song it is but it's JDs lyrics. It was annoying last night how they gave only JD and Marty their strongest songs

Paint it Black!!!!!!


The Rolling Stones????



that is a great song

mig murdered it,
the rearrangement was just terrible,
he ripped the guts out of it.