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Old 10-02-2005, 04:05 AM   #421
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Calluna, I admit it, I'm really sting2. Sorry guys, it was good while it lasted.
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I want to hug calluna and kyra mackonville for doing a fine job towards this thread's closure. seriously.
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Old 10-02-2005, 05:21 AM   #423
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I didn't think it would come to this but...



Everyone agrees that on a purely sales level INXS were not popular post-X. What we are trying to say is that they were still widely admired, accepted and sought after. The people still very much admired the INXS of INXS->X period and had they churned out anything remotely appealing to that audience post X it would piss in platinum easy (which their Greatest Hits did).

Look at it like a piece of fruit. I like strawberrys, infact I love strawberrys, a lot of people do. But next year, if strawberry season turns out some awful fruit I'm not going to buy it. Does it mean I like/love strawberrys any more/less? No. I just am not going to buy a sub-standard product despite how much I love it. INXS went that way publicaly post-X, their albums were unfocused and their live performances (from what I've read/heard) were pretentious. Thus the people didn't front.

Do you understand that you are able to have a deep love/appreciation of somthing without buying an album/purchasing a ticket to a concert?
Certainly, but that is something from the past and most people that are truely fond of a group will at least buy a ticket to seem them play when they are in town, even if they could care less about INXS after 1990.
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sting, you don't need to play backseat mod here. you continue to drag this thread more off-topic with every post, so you really have no right. this is not a charts position thread nor is it a thread comparing inxs' popularity to anyone else. it's about the show rock star inxs and the band's new line up. if you're not going to post about that, don't post in here at all, please.
I started a thread on the INXS Rock Show which got combined into this one. If my postings are some how out of line, then can I start a new thread without it being lumped into this one again? It does have to with the show because people debated the reasons for the show and I brought up the fact that the show was an excellant way for INXS to re-introduce the band after their popularity had dropped off so heavily in the 1990s. Other people then started to go after this question of popularity in the 1990s for INXS. I'm not the only one here debating INXS's popularity in the 1990s, or how popularity is measured.
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Jesus Christ, I can't believe this ridiculous argument is still going. STING, listen carefully, please. Australia has 5 states worthy of tours. With me? One capital per state which usually is the host of large acts. INXS are a mix of both international success (the type detailed in a previous post who might do a grand total of say 10 shows IN TOTAL IN THIS COUNTRY PER TOUR) and also a band who can and did play anything on the small venue circuit, less so as time went on, but factual this is nonetheless.

Still with me? Ok. Australia sees this U2 reactionary griping with many bands. Dont get caught up on U2, they're being used here to paint a picture. Many bands skip this country altogether. We're isolated and starved of shows. We get them, sure. But in no means the ridiculous volume you enjoy. We also pay through the nose to allow bands to come here. We dont complain when they come, it is just the way it is. If you want to see a large international band, be prepared to spend upward of $120 AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS. With me? Ok, so what does this mean? We're not the concert-happy nation America is? Seems like it, really.

You have 3 or 4 (?) people independantly describing to you why INXS was still incredibly popular, and you are ignoring it. You have these same people telling you why tickets and cd sales do not reflect popularity in an absolute way, and you are ignoring it. You're determined to apply the same philosophy to the music industry in the US to here, and it just doesn't work.

I hereby give up. Your stubbornness is your problem, my friend.
I haven't ignored anyone. I just don't agree with their views on this particular issue and have facts to support my reasons. I'm sure you have heard of Paul McGuinnes. Paul McGuinnnes like every other manager and music industry professional looks at album sales and concert ticket sales when gauging the popularity of an artist anywhere in the world.

I don't have a problem, I have an opinion and I'm no more stubborn than anyone who agrees or disagrees with that opinion.
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Do you understand that you are able to have a deep love/appreciation of somthing without buying an album/purchasing a ticket to a concert?
I like some INXS songs. I've never bought an album by them or gone to one of their concerts. But if I was asked to list Australian or Australian-based bands I like, they would make the list. I actually would have to say I like them better than Midnight Oil and I have purchased a album or two by midnight Oil.
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Certainly, but that is something from the past and most people that are truely fond of a group will at least buy a ticket to seem them play when they are in town, even if they could care less about INXS after 1990.
I don't agree...or maybe I'm just not "most." I can love a band and not go to see them play live. I've done it (or rather not done it) many times. Hell, I didn't even see a live show of a band I've dearly loved for 18 years until 2004. But not seeing them live has no bearing whatsoever on how much I adore them.
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I haven't ignored anyone. I just don't agree with their views on this particular issue and have facts to support my reasons. I'm sure you have heard of Paul McGuinnes. Paul McGuinnnes like every other manager and music industry professional looks at album sales and concert ticket sales when gauging the popularity of an artist anywhere in the world.

I don't have a problem, I have an opinion and I'm no more stubborn than anyone who agrees or disagrees with that opinion.
Perhaps it's your apparent unwillingness to accept that people in different areas of the world have a different take on things than you do. What I see is that you are thinking of current popularity, whereas the Aussies are thinking of what might be best called icon status. INXS have icon status in OZ whether or not they are currently popular. (Still, I'm seeing it from a more US view as the US is where I am)
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If anyone cares - the man on the far left is Mig. This is back in his dark days of kids TV here in Australia!!

Cringe!
The vest alone proves Mig was "not right for our band, INXS."

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I like some INXS songs. I've never bought an album by them or gone to one of their concerts. But if I was asked to list Australian or Australian-based bands I like, they would make the list. I actually would have to say I like them better than Midnight Oil and I have purchased a album or two by midnight Oil.
What a bittersweet post.


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Just wanted to say that "The Best Of INXS" is the best selling Catalog Album in the United States this week. The album was at #4 last week and this week makes the climb to #1. Catalog albums are albums that have been out for 2 or more years. "The Best of INXS" was not even in the top 200 3 months ago. Very impressive and it shows the positive impact the show has had. Thousands of people who never knew who INXS were are now getting into the band.
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The vest alone proves Mig was "not right for our band, INXS."




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Just wanted to say that "The Best Of INXS" is the best selling Catalog Album in the United States this week. The album was at #4 last week and this week makes the climb to #1. Catalog albums are albums that have been out for 2 or more years. "The Best of INXS" was not even in the top 200 3 months ago. Very impressive and it shows the positive impact the show has had. Thousands of people who never knew who INXS were are now getting into the band.
And those "thousands" will never understand what a "real" band INXS was or what "Icon Status" means.

But hell, that doesn't matter, The Band That Was Formerly INXS are having a hit.


(PS I didn't know there were so many versions of Throw your arms! Does seeing a clip of CH singing it to Dame Edna on the Joan Rivers show count?? )
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I'm sure you have heard of Paul McGuinnes. Paul McGuinnnes like every other manager and music industry professional looks at album sales and concert ticket sales when gauging the popularity of an artist anywhere in the world.
Of COURSE he does!!! As if he would give a shit about anything other than album sales and concert ticket sales!! That's his job, and that's what he's getting 20% of. If I were in the running for 20% of U2's income, I sure as hell wouldn't care about anything else but that. The popularity and success of the band are ONLY measured in $$ for Mr McGuinnes. Someone who loves U2 but doesn't buy the concert ticket and t-shirt may as well not exist to him.

A 'fan' however is a wide ranging category to fall into. Check these boards - some us will jet all over a country or the world to see multiple shows. Some us will be just as happy to just catch the one. Some collect absolutely every version of every single from every country and a thousand bootlegs and whatever. Some of us just pick up the albums. Is there a difference in levels of 'love' of the band between those different people? I doubt it. Could there be people out there who adore U2 but just don't care for absolutely everything they release, may 'skip' an album if it's a little too experimental, or a little too commercial? Yep. Plenty. Does it downgrade the bands popularity with that person? No. I mean, think of it this way. How many people on any given night in an arena or stadium watching U2 don't own The Bomb? Probably quite a few. Several hundred or more. How many people own The Bomb but don't go to a concert? Thousands and thousands and thousands. How many people would identify themselves as loving U2 but neither own The Bomb or will go to their concert?

U2 are 'popular' with all these different groups of people but not every "I love U2" comes with the ring of a cash register. I don't think that a bands entire 'popularity' can be nailed by a sales statistic. Granted highs and lows in such things are a very large part of the story, but certainly not the whole story.
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