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Old 06-10-2007, 02:22 PM   #391
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This quote from Paris pretty much sums it up for me:

"This is an important point in my life and I need to take responsibility for my actions. In the future, I plan on taking more of an active role in the decisions I make."

Good to know that she hasn't been playing an active role in her decisions to this point.
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Old 06-10-2007, 02:24 PM   #392
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This quote from Paris pretty much sums it up for me:

"This is an important point in my life and I need to take responsibility for my actions. In the future, I plan on taking more of an active role in the decisions I make."

Good to know that she hasn't been playing an active role in her decisions to this point.
Yes, that struck me as odd, but hardly surprising, as well.
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I read that she is worried that prison guards will try to take cell phone pictures of her when she tries to use the toilet and put them on the internet.

I guess that is more embarrassing than having a porno tape of yourself released..
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This quote from Paris pretty much sums it up for me:

"This is an important point in my life and I need to take responsibility for my actions. In the future, I plan on taking more of an active role in the decisions I make."

Good to know that she hasn't been playing an active role in her decisions to this point.
The quote sums it up perfectly.

What did someone make the decision for her to violate her probation and drink and drive the first time too.
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I've said this before and I'll say it again—people react to alcohol in vastly different ways. Bodies are like snowflakes—no two are alike—and no two react to alcohol in the exact same manner.

It's all about chemistry. And it's for this reason that while someone might view getting a DUI with a 0.08 blood alcohol differently than someone with 0.15 the fact remains that someone with 0.08 can be just as dangerous depending on their alcohol tolerance.
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Dr. H. Laurence Ross, a professor at the University of New Mexico and author of Confronting Drunk Driving, points out that ''the potential of alcohol to impair drivers and cause accidents is directly proportionate to the amount consumed.'' According to Dr. Ross, adoption of the .08 standard has the potential to increase by 60 per cent the number of motorists arrested for ''drunk driving'' -- but without any concomitant decrease in either fatality or accident rates.

Accident statistics show that impairment of driving ability seldom takes place until BAC levels exceed .10. A BAC of .08 or less means there is little enough alcohol in his or her system that it is extremely unlikely to appreciably affect coordination, reaction times, vision, or judgment in a normal person. The man who killed Candy Lightner's daughter had a BAC of .20 -- and most of the weaving drunks pulled over by cops have BAC levels above .10.

The evidence confirms this at every turn: -- In 1996, more than 62 per cent of all traffic fatalities considered to be ''alcohol-related'' were the work of drivers with BAC levels above .14 -- almost twice the .08 level. -- According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, fatality rates don't go up appreciably until you get above .10 BAC. -- A study by the Harvard Injury Control Center found that 67 per cent of those drivers who were killed in automobile accidents after drinking had BAC levels of .15 or higher. -- Fewer deaths occur in accidents involving drivers with BACs between .08 and .09 than involving those with BACs between .01 and .03, which is cough-syrup territory.
Sorry if I'm not going to compare someone who goes out for a nice dinner with friends and has a glass of wine or two to someone who goes to a bar, gets platered, then drives home. I mean if we're going to do that then I guess we should ban wine from church right? Drinking and driving is drinking and driving. We should force the people who had a sip of wine at church to watch the Oprah video, because they are just as bad as that person. Drinking and driving is all the same no matter how much you have apparently.

The original leader of MADD left the organization when they pushed for the limiti to go from .10 to .08 because she thought they were going too far, and trying to further their own agenda rather than help the public. If the leader of MADD quits because of this, it has to show you something...

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One definite effect of lowering the standard, as Dr. Ross points out, would be more arrests. For MADD, that would justify more lobbying, more contributions, more PR campaigns, more business for itself. ''Like any successful firm,'' says Rick Berman, ''MADD has recognized an iron rule: Revenue must exceed expenses. The tale of the tape is unmistakable.'' Indeed, MADD enjoyed a cash flow of $45.5 million in 1994. It has become one of the most powerful, well-funded, and omnipresent lobbying groups in the country.

For this success to continue, the battle against drunk driving can never appear to be won. And the need for new laws can never seem to be sated. Candy Lightner puts it mildly: ''I worry that the movement I helped create has lost direction.''
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Ok Chip we understand your position on that in regards to BAC. What do you say about the fact that she was repeatedly caught driving with a suspended liscence? That's what bugging mostly everyone I think...she didn't not know, she just didn't think she would be resonsible for that.
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A lot of people who are guarded, and GUIDED, by hired help, ie lawyers, spokesperson, PR reps, etc, as Ms Hilton does, she was probably ignorant to the fact that she actually lost her privilege to drive for 90 days and probably was driving not knowing she was supposed to, which happens to a lot of first time DUI offenders.
Hence the first time.

Well, the second time she was caught, well, I think we can ALL agree that the biatch belongs in the slammer.
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The original leader of MADD left the organization when they pushed for the limiti to go from .10 to .08 because she thought they were going too far, and trying to further their own agenda rather than help the public. If the leader of MADD quits because of this, it has to show you something...

Doesn't necessarily show me anything. In fact, ALL of the facts show that lowering the BAC to .05% (as is the case in many Western nations) significantly decreases DUIs and traffic injuries and deaths consequent from a DUI. If you look at the tests that show the levels of impairment at .10%, I don't see how any reasonable person would advocate that to be the legal limit. The alcohol lobby has done an excellent job here - much akin to the tobacco lobby. Are you aware of the fact that things like RIDE programs can't be positioned within 2-3 miles of the BAR zone on weekends because the alcohol lobby contributes so much $ to government? So yes, let's set up random roadside testing about 20 miles from where the major drinking points are. It's a complete and utter disaster in terms of enforcement.

It really chafes my ass, given the vast amount of statistics and epidemiological studies out there, to read things like this.
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Ok Chip we understand your position on that in regards to BAC. What do you say about the fact that she was repeatedly caught driving with a suspended liscence? That's what bugging mostly everyone I think...she didn't not know, she just didn't think she would be resonsible for that.
He's obviously distraught that the love of his life is in the slammer right now and is just trying to make up an excuse for her.









I kid.
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Sorry if I'm not going to compare someone who goes out for a nice dinner with friends and has a glass of wine or two to someone who goes to a bar, gets platered, then drives home. I mean if we're going to do that then I guess we should ban wine from church right? Drinking and driving is drinking and driving. We should force the people who had a sip of wine at church to watch the Oprah video, because they are just as bad as that person. Drinking and driving is all the same no matter how much you have apparently.
So this country should just allow people to get shitfaced and drive in any condition? Do away with BAC? Or is this only for women you deem attractive?
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Doesn't necessarily show me anything. In fact, ALL of the facts show that lowering the BAC to .05% (as is the case in many Western nations) significantly decreases DUIs and traffic injuries and deaths consequent from a DUI. If you look at the tests that show the levels of impairment at .10%, I don't see how any reasonable person would advocate that to be the legal limit. The alcohol lobby has done an excellent job here - much akin to the tobacco lobby. Are you aware of the fact that things like RIDE programs can't be positioned within 2-3 miles of the BAR zone on weekends because the alcohol lobby contributes so much $ to government? So yes, let's set up random roadside testing about 20 miles from where the major drinking points are. It's a complete and utter disaster in terms of enforcement.

It really chafes my ass, given the vast amount of statistics and epidemiological studies out there, to read things like this.

What's a RIDE program?
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we have .05 here in australia, and we still suffer from drink drivers - ITs one of the most stupidest things alive. .05 is enough for you to have a couple of drinks with dinner, and drive home. If you want to have 5 pints, or some big night - don't fucking drive take a taxi, or call a friend. Alcohol isn't compulsarary - we're all grown up enough to say no to another glass of wine because we are driving. I do it all the time. Its not hard. NO ONE should be driving over the limit and .08 is mental. Way too high. ITs a PREVENTATIVE measure not a 'oh, ok you can have 4 drinks, to be fair)

on the paris issue, i do believe they are harsher on her because of whole she is, but she needs to suck it up and do it. I mean nothings going to change with her really, shes still going to be partying, taking drugs and screwing guys because no one has ever sat her down and explained whats wrong with that. i mean look at her stupid whorey parents!
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Go on the MADD web site

No one killed by an impaired driver who had one or two beers or a glass of wine, (and impairment hinges on many factors) is any less dead than one killed by someone who had 14 or 15. And gues what-you can kill someone by driving even after one drink. Look at the BAC fatality stats on the MADD site.

Here's just some of the info they have on their site


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Forty-one percent of 1,672 motorcycle operators who died in single-vehicle crashes in 2004 had BAC levels of .08 g/dl or higher. Sixty percent of those killed in single-vehicle crashes on weekend nights had BAC levels of .08 g/dl or higher. (NHTSA, 2005 )
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The majority of those who reported alcohol-related DUI in the 12 months prior to a national survey are not alcohol dependent or alcohol abusers. In 2000, 37% of the Blacks, 38% of the Hispanics, 29% of Whites, 44% of the Native Americans/Alaskan Natives, 39% of Native Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders, 22% of the Asians and 28% of those of Mixed race who report committing DUI in the past year are alcohol abusers or dependent; all the others who drove under the influence are not. (Caetano and McGrath, 2005)
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Beer is the drink of choice in most cases of heavy drinking, binge drinking, drunk driving and underage drinking. (Rogers and Greenfield, 1999)
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There is evidence that heavier drinkers prefer to drink at bars and other person's homes, and at multiple locations requiring longer driver distances. Young drivers have been found to prefer drinking at private parties, while older, more educated drivers prefer bars and taverns. (NHTSA, 2001)
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In 2004, 30 percent of all fatal crashes during the week were alcohol-related, compared to 51 percent on weekends. For all crashes, the alcohol involvement rate was 5 percent during the week and 12 percent during the weekend. (NHTSA, 2005)
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For fatal crashes occurring from midnight to 3:00 AM, 77 percent involved alcohol in 2003. The next most dangerous time period for alcohol-related crash deaths were 9 PM to midnight (64 percent of fatal crashes involved alcohol), followed by 3 AM to 6 AM (60 percent of fatal crashes involved alcohol). (NHTSA, 2004)
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A standard drink is defined as 12 ounces of beer, 5 ounces of wine, or 1.5 ounces of 72-proof distilled spirits, all of which contain the same amount of alcohol -- about .54 ounces. (NHTSA, 2002)
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The speed of alcohol absorption affects the rate at which one becomes drunk. Unlike foods, alcohol does not have to be slowly digested. As a person drinks faster than the alcohol can be eliminated, the drug accumulates in the body, resulting in higher and higher levels of alcohol in the blood. (Narcotic Education Foundation of America, 2002)
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The rate of alcohol involvement in fatal crashes is more than 3 times as high at night as during the day (60 percent vs. 18 percent). For all crashes, the alcohol involvement rate is 5 times as high at night (16 percent vs. 3 percent). (NHTSA, 2005)
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The average person metabolizes alcohol at the rate of about one drink per hour. Only time will sober a person up. Drinking strong coffee, exercising or taking a cold shower will not help. (Michigan State University, 2002)
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Impairment is not determined by the type of drink, but rather by the amount of alcohol ingested over a specific period of time. (IIHS, June 2003)
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The impact of alcohol involvement increases with injury severity. Alcohol-involved crashes accounted for 10 percent of property damage only crash costs, 21 percent of nonfatal injury crashes; and 46 percent of fatal injury crash costs. (NHTSA, 2002)
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Alcohol-related fatalities are caused primarily by the consumption of beer (80 percent) followed by liquor/wine at 20 percent. (Runge, 2002)
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Beer is the drink most commonly consumed by people stopped for alcohol-impaired driving or involved in alcohol-related crashes. (IIHS, 2003)
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Alcohol is society's legal, oldest and most popular drug. (Narcotic Educational Foundation of America, 2002)
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Alcohol is closely linked with violence. About 40 percent of all crimes (violent and non-violent) are committed under the influence of alcohol. (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1998)
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About three in every ten Americans will be involved in an alcohol-related crash at some time in their lives. (NHTSA, 2001)
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EXCLUSIVE: Hilton Calls Barbara Walters from Jail
She 'Was Severely Depressed and Felt as if I Was in a Cage,' but now Has 'New Chance'

June 11, 2007 —

In jail serving out the remainder of her sentence for violating parole on reckless driving charges, Paris Hilton phoned ABC News' Barbara Walters Sunday to discuss her state of mind, her experience in prison and how she feels she has changed.

Barbara Walters will discuss more of her conversation with Paris Hilton on "The View" at 11 a.m. ET.

Hilton said jail and the chaos surrounding her sentence have made her realize she must clean up her act.

"I used to act dumb," she told Walters in the exclusive phone conversation. "That act is no longer cute. Now, I would like to make a difference. ... God has given me this new chance."

Hilton confirmed to Walters just how terrible her initial three days in jail were. It might explain why she cried when she was handcuffed and transported back to jail from her Hollywood home.

"I was not eating or sleeping," she said. "I was severely depressed and felt as if I was in a cage. ... It was a horrible experience."

The unusual jailhouse call came about because Kathy Hilton, Paris' mother, phoned Walters. During the conversation, Paris rang in on another line. When told that Kathy was talking to Walters, Paris said she'd like to speak to Walters herself.

Walters then agreed to accept a collect call from Paris in jail. All prisoners are required to call collect.

Nicky Hilton, Paris' younger sister, described the jailed debutante as "being strong" on her way out of a jailhouse visit on Sunday. In a statement earlier that day, Paris directed her lawyers not to appeal her sentence and urged the media to focus on more important things like Iraq.
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And gues what-you can kill someone by driving even after one drink.
and you can kill someone by not paying attention to the road because of
--your cell phone
--the radio
--your iPod
--doing your makeup
--eating
--talking to a passenger
--thinking
--sun glare
--sneezing
--fatigue
--etc. etc. etc.

look, i'm not trying to make light of DUI/DWI. it needs to be taken seriously and my utmost sympathies to anyone who's been a victim of DUI... but there is a huge difference between having one drink and having a dozen. just because yes, you can still kill someone after one drink doesn't mean that having one drink is the same as having 10 or more.
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