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Old 05-10-2008, 12:40 PM   #811
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I, too, watch the episodes repeatedly

I don't have an answer as to why both mothers are named Emily but they are clearly two different women.

The only way they could possibly be brothers would be if Anthony Cooper wasn't really Locke's father, if he had just conned Locke into believing it, but at this point that might be a stretch. The woman who would be Locke's grandmother tells her daughter that the man she is going out to see is twice her age. Would Roger Linus be twice her age at that point?

Anthony Cooper would be.
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I, too, watch the episodes repeatedly

I don't have an answer as to why both mothers are named Emily but they are clearly two different women.

The only way they could possibly be brothers would be if Anthony Cooper wasn't really Locke's father, if he had just conned Locke into believing it, but at this point that might be a stretch. The woman who would be Locke's grandmother tells her daughter that the man she is going out to see is twice her age. Would Roger Linus be twice her age at that point?

Anthony Cooper would be.
Why does Roger Linus have to be Locke's father?

Anthony Cooper - could have been the father for Locke - Roger Linus could meet her in the future and father Ben.

Same mother different fathers.

Am I missing something? I am not sure I am right and would not bet my pay check on this, but of all the names in the world, why Emily?
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By that theory then, Roger was never Ben's father.

Well, that would sure take a lot of fun out of the episode where they go for a drive in the Dharma van.



Either way, I would seriously hope that's not the case.
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By that theory then, Roger was never Ben's father.

Well, that would sure take a lot of fun out of the episode where they go for a drive in the Dharma van.



Either way, I would seriously hope that's not the case.
Why can't Roger be Ben's father and Cooper be Locke's father?

I am getting my DVD's out - Locke's mother was alive later in Locke's life, unless it was the woman who was raising him (foster home).

WE know Ben's mother died. I am so confused....lol

ANyways, I am not sold on my theory.

Locke's grandmother certainly knows Alpert though.....which makes me wonder how!!!!!
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Do you find it interesting that Richard Alpert got Ben to kill his father and Locke to kill his through Sawyer?

Horace Goodspeed gets Ben Linus to the Island.
Horace Goodspeed guides Locke to the cabin.
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Why can't Roger be Ben's father and Cooper be Locke's father?
This is already true in the show so far.

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Locke's mother was alive later in Locke's life, unless it was the woman who was raising him (foster home).
In the episode Deus Ex Machina, the private investigator hired by Locke told him that Emily Locke and Anthony Cooper are his parents.
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Yes, and if Emily Locke married Mr. Linus she would be Emily Linus.

If Mr. Cooper were conning Mr. Locke to get his kidney, he may very well have been smart enough to get someone to pretend to be Emily Locke to con him in Deus Ex Machina (A great Episode).

Emily in Cabin Fever is young enough to have moved on and met Linus and married him.
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I get even more confused after reading everyones theories!
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Didn't this episode make it look more like Alpert himself was Locke's father? When he's looking in the window and they ask Granny if that's the father, her response isn't conclusive.
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This episode is clearly trying to show us parallels between the births and childhoods of Ben and Locke, and I *think* what they're trying to get at is that one of them was destined to be leader/caretaker of the island, but that maybe a mistake has been made along the way.

Ben seemed all defeated that Locke has seemingly usurped his position, but I don't buy that for a second. Ben still has a few more tricks up his sleeve.

Something occurred to me last night (I spend WAY too much time thinking about this show) - first of all, I don't buy the Christian Shephard is Jacob theory. I was reading back over some old episode information, and was reminded of Jacob saying "help me" to Locke, when Locke first went into the cabin in season 3. Next, Hurley looked into the cabin and saw Christian, and presumably the eye of Jacob. Finally, Locke goes into the cabin and sees Christian and Claire, and Christian tells him that he can speak for Jacob, or on Jacob's behalf, or whatever.

So, what occurred to me is this: what if Jacob's "help me" plea to Locke is because Christian has done something to Jacob like trapping him, or something else that would prevent him from having power over the island and its inhabitants? In my scenario, Jacob is a good guy, probably the rightful ultimate power of the island, and Christian is the bad guy, inhibiting Jacob and taking over that power somehow, to exert his own (evil) will over the island, and Jacob needs help to be freed to take his power back.

It's very rare that I actually come up with theories that are any more than vague possibilities, but for some reason, this one seems to feel right to me.

As for Claire, I have absolutely nothing to base this on, but I really didn't get the impression that she's dead dead. I don't think she's fully alive either, but maybe in some altered consciousness, like Deep keeps referring to. In any case, she seemed very relaxed and almost smug, so I suspect that Christian has let her in on some secrets that we're not aware of, perhaps what needs to happen in order for everything to turn out okay for Aaron.
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I retract my emily theory.....

Hehe - Locke had a DNA test run on the woman claiming to be his mother. My bad:O) Can;t remember everything.
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Anyone keeping track of the number of ppeople hurt in car crashes connected to the island?
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Anyone keeping track of the number of people hurt in car crashes connected to the island?
back in 2005

I had my P O D theory (point of departure)

Kate was in a serious car wreck

no air bag on her side, if I recall

next scene she drives the car away and it is not damaged

I think there was a horse involved

she also, sees a horse on the island




as for Claire, I believe she is dead, dead, dead, no more altered state for her now


and Desmond must be in "altered state" to be thinking he is time and distance jumping


and for you and all the others that have said you watch these several times over, I barely watch them once, with my laptop comp on.

well, what do you make of the H S counselor telling Locke he will never be the Hero ?
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Anyone keeping track of the number of ppeople hurt in car crashes connected to the island?
LOTS of them. http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Car_accidents




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and Desmond must be in "altered state" to be thinking he is time and distance jumping


well, what do you make of the H S counselor telling Locke he will never be the Hero ?
When you say "altered state" for Desmond, are you implying that the time travel is taking place in his imagination and is not real?

If so, I disagree. I could be misinterpreting, but it seems to me that you're wanting/looking for plausible, real-world explanations for what's happening. I don't think that's the way it'll play out, I expect that there will be some (hopefully not all) explanations requiring suspension of belief, that will come down to magical properties that the island is inflicting upon the people who have a connection to it, or science fictioney explanations that are beyond our knowledge at this time, if not unreal altogether, like time travel or alternate realities.

Re: Locke and the science teacher, I just felt that it was to show that despite being gifted in the area of science, Locke always felt that his true destiny was to be a hero, so he denied the sciencey part of himself.

It also hearkened back to seasons 1 and 2 for me, where there was this whole Jack, man of science vs. Locke, man of faith thing going on. That scene almost made it seem as though the whole science vs. faith battle was also playing out within Locke himself, at least in his early years.
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When you say "altered state" for Desmond, are you implying that the time travel is taking place in his imagination and is not real?
not his imagination, but in his mind somehow

it is as real
as what happen in the Matrix,
people can feel and die
Claire died.

Ben, seems to know what is real and not, and it seems some people do know that leaving this "state" means death


anything else,
just makes this as silly as that "jumper" movie



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I don't think that's the way it'll play out, I expect that there will be some (hopefully not all) explanations requiring suspension of belief, that will come down to magical properties that the island is inflicting upon the people who have a connection to it, or science fictioney explanations that are beyond our knowledge at this time, if not unreal altogether, like time travel or alternate realities.

Once you allow any sort of "magical properties" you have opened the box for any all "magical crap"

one can not be a little bit pregnant, as they say
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