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Old 08-29-2003, 02:15 AM   #76
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Chris Rock.... umm... where's your humor, boy? very so-so performance by one of my fave comedians.
Yeah, but he had the balls to say "Good Charlotte? More like mediocre Green Day!"

That was awesome.
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I'll admit it was lame, but I'll also admit it was entertaining.

But really, I stopped worring about mainstream music a long time ago, there's so much good music out there in indipendent artists.
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It's only inevitable. We're in a transition period, all the hit shit that was dominating the past 4 years is slowly dying and something new will come along and MTV will exploit it.
I thought the same thing during the 2001 VMAs, and then 9/11 happened, and supposedly pop music and all the shallow stuff was to go away and be replaced by more meaningful music. But within a few months everything went back to normal.

I think people need to wisen up and not allow themselves to be manipulated by the music, media and press into buying into all these overhyped acts. 'Cos that's really the only way it could all end, if we break away from the control the music industry has. But that won't be so easy because its illegal to download music of the Internet, so we can't get that exposed to unknown, more better acts.

Music today is simply so depressing now. Its all gloomy. But I do hope somehow something will happen that would kill all this crap.

And you know what? U2 is about all we have now to ruin mainstream music, but how long would that go on until they stop looking awkward and out of place?

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Music in the US is mostly just crap, nothing good at least mainstream wise.
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Hello,

This night I was asleep (obviously) so I missed the whole show (it started at 2:00 AM local time and with me having to stand up at 6:30 it wasn't possible to watch). Reading the reports it was a regular VMA, lots of crap and a few gems. I know the whole weekend will be devoted to reruns, so I may catch some fragments. I do have some questions though:

- Can anybody please mention the highlights chronologically (so I know when to watch and when to change channels)?
- What song did Coldplay play?
- Did I read that correct: No Johnny Cash?!

Thank you.

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All I've seen was the opening 'performance...' and Chris Rock's stand up section.

Chris Rock was great, he never fails to mock all the other celebrities.
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Hello,

This night I was asleep (obviously) so I missed the whole show (it started at 2:00 AM local time and with me having to stand up at 6:30 it wasn't possible to watch). Reading the reports it was a regular VMA, lots of crap and a few gems. I know the whole weekend will be devoted to reruns, so I may catch some fragments. I do have some questions though:

- Can anybody please mention the highlights chronologically (so I know when to watch and when to change channels)?
- What song did Coldplay play?
- Did I read that correct: No Johnny Cash?!

Thank you.

Marty


Despite many gripes and complaints about the VMA's and current music, there were some interesting moments of the VMAs:

The first half hour is worth watching: the Madonna performance was at least something to talk about and Chris Rock's opening monologue was good.

Coldplay came on about an hour & a half into the show and played "The Scientist"

The puppeteering/Crank Yankers throughout the show was funny

The presentation for Video of the Year by Snoop and Adam Sandler near the end of the show was funny

Metallica's closing segment was slightly interesting to conclude the show.



Although I and many others around here have been complaining about the VMA's and music, we must remember that they are supposed to be fun, irreverent, highlight commercial success over critical success and are still more interesting and unpredictable than any other award show, IMA....

ENJOY!!!
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I did have this long post typed out about the music business, new artists, why watch it if you hate it?, blah blah blah. But the jist of it was this: Justin Timberlake can sing better than most of us, Good Charlotte has catchy tunes and cool energy while playing live, and 50 Cent has really brought something new to the table for those of us who love rap. For the most part, I enjoyed what I saw of the VMAs, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I kind of like the fact that an old geezer such as myself (at the ripe old age of 26) can still find a few new pop songs to listen to, even if most of the bands I love will never come 500 miles within winning a VMA. I'm sorry it pained all of you so much to watch the show.

I'm 26 too, and here's my thoughts...

I was raised on MTV, and I watch it still. Mainly out of thoughtless habit, but also because I do like to know what's popular, and out of curiousity of what MTV is hawking to the masses this month.

Justin Timberlake has a prepubescent male's singing voice - it is not a good technical singing voice. Not that all singer's are "great" singers - but his is a very young voice. Because it sounds so young, it's hard for me to listen to it. Much like Avril Lavigne has a young girl's voice - I just can't deal. I do not like listening to music that is meant for people much younger than me...I almost feel I am shopping in the Junior Miss section of a department store when I listen to Pop music.

Good Charlotte, catchy tunes aside, is just not what I like out of a rock band. They feel disposable. They also feel very young (even if the band is in their twenties) and their fan base is mostly young teens who are looking for an "edgy" looking band with semi-angry lyrics. As with Timberlake, I don't like listening to music that is meant for younger people - it makes me feel weird. I'm not saying everyone should feel this way, and perhaps I don't get it - but when I was in high school, we had Nine Inch Nails - a band made of one genius musician with a beautiful singing voice who could play every single instrument imaginable. Those lyrics were raw, and that music was not disposable. It has aged well, and even though TR hasn't released something in 4 years, his music is a great example of a band that was marketed to teens - but the music aged well and the message carried on.

I was also raised on rap - and while I don't completely like 50 Cent's backstory, I recognize he is a new voice. I don't think he is the voice alot of people think he might be - or even Obie Trice when his album drops - I think if Common or Nas was able to reach a larger audience, the mainstream rap landscape might be a big different - there might be a bit more intellect there. However, OutKast's new album is soon to be released, and hopefully they'll once again show everyone how it's done.
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Before the show Kurt Loader said Johnny Cash was in the hospital.
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got a complete list of performers?

Not in any particular order:

Madonna/Britney/Christina/Missy Elliott

Christina Aguilera (w/Dave Navarro on guitar)

Beyonce w/Jay-Z

50 Cent

Coldplay

Good Charlotte

Metallica

I may be missing one or two, but that is the general list....
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I'm 26 too, and here's my thoughts...

I was raised on MTV, and I watch it still. Mainly out of thoughtless habit, but also because I do like to know what's popular, and out of curiousity of what MTV is hawking to the masses this month.

Justin Timberlake has a prepubescent male's singing voice - it is not a good technical singing voice. Not that all singer's are "great" singers - but his is a very young voice. Because it sounds so young, it's hard for me to listen to it. Much like Avril Lavigne has a young girl's voice - I just can't deal. I do not like listening to music that is meant for people much younger than me...I almost feel I am shopping in the Junior Miss section of a department store when I listen to Pop music.

Good Charlotte, catchy tunes aside, is just not what I like out of a rock band. They feel disposable. They also feel very young (even if the band is in their twenties) and their fan base is mostly young teens who are looking for an "edgy" looking band with semi-angry lyrics. As with Timberlake, I don't like listening to music that is meant for younger people - it makes me feel weird. I'm not saying everyone should feel this way, and perhaps I don't get it - but when I was in high school, we had Nine Inch Nails - a band made of one genius musician with a beautiful singing voice who could play every single instrument imaginable. Those lyrics were raw, and that music was not disposable. It has aged well, and even though TR hasn't released something in 4 years, his music is a great example of a band that was marketed to teens - but the music aged well and the message carried on.

I was also raised on rap - and while I don't completely like 50 Cent's backstory, I recognize he is a new voice. I don't think he is the voice alot of people think he might be - or even Obie Trice when his album drops - I think if Common or Nas was able to reach a larger audience, the mainstream rap landscape might be a big different - there might be a bit more intellect there. However, OutKast's new album is soon to be released, and hopefully they'll once again show everyone how it's done.




We are really on the same page here (literally & figuratively, lol!) You make solid points about NIN and Outkast.

NIN had profound lyrics and a musical genius at the forefront and Outkast is unique, original and interesting and clearly stands out.

Timberlake is an entertainer and should be taken for that. He does have some talent. As for Good Charlotte: Eddie Vedder summed them up best during an MSG (NY) show last month when he said to the crowd: "They sound like someone just stuck a popsicle up my ass and pulled it out!" (Eddie was ranting about how much of today's rock is emulated from PJ, but PJ doesn't get much credit; Eddie is becoming more bitter w/age!)

My biggest gripe w/music these days is that it is soooo fake and destitute of any real meaning. It is mainly redundant love/crush songs or pure violence and partying. That is ok to a certain extent, but doesn't anyone (besides a few) want to have any reality to their craft? Writing lyrics, playing instruments, having a social conscience? If you think about it, the music scene over the past 5-7 years resembles that of the mid-80's. Irrelevant, apathetic, stylish, ultimately forgettable music that is mocked now and in the future (this is in reference to hair bands and cheesy pop acts, of course).
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