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Old 10-06-2007, 03:27 AM   #1
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Marion Jones...

In all honesty, I'm not the kinda person to post serious subjects up but....the Olympics are something that I just simply place a lot of value in. I've seen some pretty insightful comments by folks around here so I thought this would be another subject that may get those insightful minds talking.

Marion 'fessed up today.

I presume that there was evidence against her and this is why she chose to come clean. Or her guilty conscious caught up with her and, hopefully, she's breathing a little easier tonight.

I suppose that, when you compete at that level, regardless of the sport, you can't help but assume that your competitor(s) is/are doing it too and that, if you don't engage in some level of boosting, the odds of winning are not in your favor.

If this is the case, then she owes it to the sport and her fans (and ultimately, herself) to help clean it up. I give her props for doing what she did today, however, only her actions tomorrow will truly define how she feels about what she did.

OK...i'm all ears...
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Marion Jones 'fessed up to what? Using drugs?

And to what question are you all ears?

Sorry mate, I need more info.
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US track star Marion Jones pleaded guilty on Friday to lying to federal investigators and taking the steroid tetrahydrogestrinone (THG)
Sorry if my previous post seemed in anyway harsh.

So whats the question?
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Old 10-06-2007, 04:35 AM   #4
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I suppose I'm cynical but I have to wonder if anyone really thinks most elite level athletes aren't using some type of performance enhancing drugs.
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Oh my god no way
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I hope she gives back her gold medals.

I also don't understand why athletes take drugs - where's your pride in winning or acheiving your goals when you've taken drugs to get there. Anyone could pump a load of steroids, grow some muscles and run like hell - how can you be proud or happy when its not YOU who's put in the effort - its your drug company.
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Oh, she ain't giving them back.............they are taking them back. Unfortunately, the second place winner back in 2000 was suspended for two years in Athens for failing to attend a drug test. Remember the two Greek athletes who faked a car accident as a reason for not showing up.

I disagree that taking steroids and performance enhancing drugs can make anyone a world class athlete. YOU still have to do the work, if anything you do more work since the drugs allow your body to grow quicker, heal faster, and enable an athlete to constantly train. Average people need longer rest periods and time to achieve any similar gains. If you take steroids and sit on your ass, you won't be a world class athlete. There is still a level of skill involved too. Hand eye coordination, motor skills, etc. are all part of what makes a great athlete. The drugs provide power mostly. Barry Bonds still has to make contact with those 95 mile per hour fastballs or 79 mile per hour breaking balls. Marion Jones still had to be able to use proper technique to run quickly and efficiently.

All that being said, yup, she is a cheater but so are lots, I mean lots of other athletes in sports. Most will never be caught. Flo-Jo was definitely on the juice back in the 80's but denied it the whole time. I believe Lance was cheating too since how does a clean athlete dominate a race in which almost the entire field is using enhancing drugs. Impossible.

I say let them use whatever they want and if it kills them, I don't care. Some people argue but "what about the children" following those athletes as role models. Well, those kids who think taking performance enhancing drugs are the few, not the many. Natural selection works for a reason, smart people do smart things, the dumb don't. The technology used in masking drugs along with the politics, bribes and other crap going on makes it a tough challenge to ensure a drug free competition. Either test everyone all the time or don't. They are catching some people but many fall through the net.
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Somehow I missed the original accusations that she'd used steroids, but I was really disgusted to read about this yesterday.

You know, we wonder why so many students think cheating and plagiarizing are acceptable, but then we see how many athletes are being exposed for using steroids. If their heroes and role models can cheat, why can't they? Lately it seems like we live in a world where kids are taught to believe that it's okay to get ahead any way that you can as long as you don't get caught
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She reportedly told the court that "I thought my trainer was giving me flaxseed oil..."

And her reported connection to BALCO....kinda reminds me of.....



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You know, we wonder why so many students think cheating and plagiarizing are acceptable, but then we see how many athletes are being exposed for using steroids. If their heroes and role models can cheat, why can't they? Lately it seems like we live in a world where kids are taught to believe that it's okay to get ahead any way that you can as long as you don't get caught
Perhaps sports isn't such a good model for the rest of society. Or is it?

I violate speeding laws all the time when I drive, and so do lots of other people. It's clear that many speed limits are not taken seriously by the vast majority of people and are difficult to enforce -- two of the hallmarks of bad law. Law enforcement officials realize this for the most part and typically take a cynical attitude towards speeding laws -- they may pay lip service to the ideal of driving safely, but mostly they regard speeding laws as a method of collecting revenue for the city/state.

The rules banning PED use in various sports (most notably in track events and in cycling) are also not taken seriously by athletes and are difficult for the sport governing bodies to enforce strictly. The difference here is that certain PEDs are illegal under federal law, and the Feds are damn serious about prosecuting people who buy and sell them; it's a lot easier to bust a PED dealer than a PED user.

The ideal solution might very well be some sort of system where PED use is legalized and carefully regulated to protect the health of athletes.
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Interesting replies.

Barry Bonds makes a very good point about not knowingly taking anything. Going back to my comment about competing at that level, there are also a lot of people involved with you, as a competitor/athlete - trainers, doctors, etc. And they all have different agendas when they're working with an athlete. It's like a CEO of a corporation - sometimes he or she is the scapegoat. They aren't directly involved and perhaps had no idea that something unethical was going on until someone else blows the whistle.

How can an athlete really know what they're being given?

To add to this, I also read that the gray area between a permitted drug and a PED is getting thinner and thinner. Do testing officials really know every single type of PED out there? It's possible that an athelete may be given (or take) a PED before it is even classified as one.

If there is any hope with going back to true sports, the Marion Jones' of sports are really going to have to step up to the plate and fight back.

By the way, there was no question regarding this. Just wanted to read what others thought about it.
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This will tie up a lot of loose ends and they lead to BALCO...a number of athletes besides Bonds and Marion Jones are named...

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Interesting replies.

Barry Bonds makes a very good point about not knowingly taking anything. Going back to my comment about competing at that level, there are also a lot of people involved with you, as a competitor/athlete - trainers, doctors, etc. And they all have different agendas when they're working with an athlete. It's like a CEO of a corporation - sometimes he or she is the scapegoat. They aren't directly involved and perhaps had no idea that something unethical was going on until someone else blows the whistle.

How can an athlete really know what they're being given?
I think it's a load of crap to believe that an athlete would take something without fully knowiing what it was. Blame may go out to other people, but the athletes are the ones making the ultimate decision to take the stuff.
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She's a dirty fucking drugs cheat, I'm glad she's been found out.

I always knew some of the medals in that Olympics were seriously dodgy.
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All that being said, yup, she is a cheater but so are lots, I mean lots of other athletes in sports. Most will never be caught. Flo-Jo was definitely on the juice back in the 80's but denied it the whole time. I believe Lance was cheating too since how does a clean athlete dominate a race in which almost the entire field is using enhancing drugs. Impossible.


I agree. What irks me is, if she's to be stripped of her metals, as other recent athletes have been for this reason, is it really right to allow those Soviet bloc athletes from the Cold War era who were obviously enhanced to keep theirs? The Russian gymnasts on Peter Pan drugs, the Bulgarian weightlifters on steroids, the East German women, from track and field to swimming who were so full of chemicals they were more like men competing against women, will they be treated the same way? If not, it's not fair to take it out on the later athletes.

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Unfortunately, the second place winner back in 2000 was suspended for two years in Athens for failing to attend a drug test. Remember the two Greek athletes who faked a car accident as a reason for not showing up.
I was wondering about this. How does it work, if she's stripped, does that mean the silver medalist gets her gold, bronze moves up to silver, and fourth place the bronze? Is that how it works? Is anyone going to also check those people out to make sure they didn't do the same thing?
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