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Someone on another forum I read pointed out that that guy (he was actually a guest escaping the party just like Don, not a bartender) was supposed to be Conrad Hilton.
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Someone on another forum I read pointed out that that guy (he was actually a guest escaping the party just like Don, not a bartender) was supposed to be Conrad Hilton.
lazarus
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Interesting. I have his autobiography "Be My Guest" around somewhere, but haven't read it yet.
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Hiltonian Justice?
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I liked when she was talking to her secretary. I can't recall or find what she said. But I liked it.
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Yeah, is the doc not so 'up & coming'? I wonder where they will take Joan's character 
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I wonder where they will take Joan's character
Hopefully into my dorm room.
He's a fuck up. How scathing were those looks during the accordion performance?
I wouldn't mind working her bellows, if you get my meaning.
1:07 = drives me up the wall.
I wouldn't mind working her bellows, if you get my meaning.
1:07 = drives me up the wall.
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c'est magnifique!
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I wouldn't mind moulining that rouge, if you get my meaning.
VintagePunk
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I think I've come across an example that illustrates why I only like this show, as opposed to loving it.
In this week's closing scene, Don walks over to find Betty standing in the dark, away from the party, and we see a wide angle shot where they embrace and kiss. Reading an episode thread on another site, most people were all "awww, they're renewing their love!" or "they see how Roger is making a fool of himself and they're grateful they have each other." Much later in the thread, someone posted that the show's creator, Matthew Weiner stated that while Don and Betty were kissing, they were both thinking of "other people" Wtf?? While I didn't necessarily believe that they'd chosen that moment to fall back in love, it's not really inconceivable that they shared a romantic kiss with each other, either. There are several things that could have led to this - the imminent birth of their 3rd child, Betty's gratitude that Don handled the situation with her father's living circumstances, witnessing the Roger and Jane trainwreck, or even just being overcome by a lovely spring evening. I could even understand a show creator's decision to leave a scene like that ambiguous, letting us come to our own conclusions, and then perhaps clarifying in later episodes (Lost is famous for doing this)...but when he has to explicitly explain what he was going for in the scene, and it's something so specific as "they were both thinking of kissing other people," to me, that's just piss-poor story telling.
I get that the show is "subtle" I get that it's "nuanced." Hell, if I can follow Lost, one of the most intricately plotted and characterized shows I've ever seen, with very little problem, I ought to be able to follow this one, too, and if I can't, if it's so "subtle" that I'm misconstruing the intentions of the writers/creator, then I think it's a matter of them being just a little too precious with their storytelling, and not some lack of understanding on my part.
The whole Conrad Hilton thing I mentioned earlier, that's a different thing imo. That's sort of like a wink to those who are familiar with the era, but will probably end up having very little to do with the plot, so, it's no big deal if people miss references like that. But completely missing the motivation of the main characters, or even getting the complete opposite out what was intended is inexcusable to me.
I still think that they do an amazing job for the most part with the way they've treated the era. I'd watch for the sets, clothing and cultural references alone. But things like the kiss leave me rolling my eyes more often than not.
In this week's closing scene, Don walks over to find Betty standing in the dark, away from the party, and we see a wide angle shot where they embrace and kiss. Reading an episode thread on another site, most people were all "awww, they're renewing their love!" or "they see how Roger is making a fool of himself and they're grateful they have each other." Much later in the thread, someone posted that the show's creator, Matthew Weiner stated that while Don and Betty were kissing, they were both thinking of "other people" Wtf?? While I didn't necessarily believe that they'd chosen that moment to fall back in love, it's not really inconceivable that they shared a romantic kiss with each other, either. There are several things that could have led to this - the imminent birth of their 3rd child, Betty's gratitude that Don handled the situation with her father's living circumstances, witnessing the Roger and Jane trainwreck, or even just being overcome by a lovely spring evening. I could even understand a show creator's decision to leave a scene like that ambiguous, letting us come to our own conclusions, and then perhaps clarifying in later episodes (Lost is famous for doing this)...but when he has to explicitly explain what he was going for in the scene, and it's something so specific as "they were both thinking of kissing other people," to me, that's just piss-poor story telling.
I get that the show is "subtle" I get that it's "nuanced." Hell, if I can follow Lost, one of the most intricately plotted and characterized shows I've ever seen, with very little problem, I ought to be able to follow this one, too, and if I can't, if it's so "subtle" that I'm misconstruing the intentions of the writers/creator, then I think it's a matter of them being just a little too precious with their storytelling, and not some lack of understanding on my part.
The whole Conrad Hilton thing I mentioned earlier, that's a different thing imo. That's sort of like a wink to those who are familiar with the era, but will probably end up having very little to do with the plot, so, it's no big deal if people miss references like that. But completely missing the motivation of the main characters, or even getting the complete opposite out what was intended is inexcusable to me.
I still think that they do an amazing job for the most part with the way they've treated the era. I'd watch for the sets, clothing and cultural references alone. But things like the kiss leave me rolling my eyes more often than not.
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If the writer's intention was for us to believe that Don & Betty were thinking about other people, then I think he failed. She's off in the distance and he comes to her. When/where were we to get the implication that they were thinking of others. I believe Roger said something about being happy. Maybe Don realized he was (?) or that being with Betty at the moment would bring the happy. Who was Don supposed to be thinking about? We know Betty talked with the campaign guy earlier in the episode while she was waiting for her friend.
And I had no clue about the Conrad Hilton tidbit until VP pointed it out.
And I had no clue about the Conrad Hilton tidbit until VP pointed it out.
VintagePunk
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Lila, if you're interested, it's addressed here, in the video clip titled Inside Mad Men: My Old Kentucky Home. AMC � Videos
But yeah, I get that they're trying to make an intelligent show, but if it goes over the average viewer's head (and even the above average viewer - the site I'm referring to where people were confused, they're pretty hard-core viewers who analyze everything), then you're obviously failing as a writer/creator. There's a really fine line between subtle and nuanced, and eye-rollingly pretentious.
But yeah, I get that they're trying to make an intelligent show, but if it goes over the average viewer's head (and even the above average viewer - the site I'm referring to where people were confused, they're pretty hard-core viewers who analyze everything), then you're obviously failing as a writer/creator. There's a really fine line between subtle and nuanced, and eye-rollingly pretentious.
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I guess I'll have to start watching those clips 
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Have seen numerous episodes but still hasn't clicked for me. Now, this is exactly what happened with me and The Shield - kept seeing various episodes not in order and then when I actually dug into it for real I was totally hooked - same with The Wire. In other words looking forward to digging into Mad Men when I can get all the episodes and watch them in order. Sounds like a show worth investigating.
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I just watched last week's episode this morning because I wasn't home last Sunday night and didn't have a chance to watch all week. It was interesting reading VP's findings on the Conrad Hilton angle and the Don/Betty kiss at the end. During the scene with Don and the "bartender", I had been wondering if we were supposed to assume that he was actually a guest, and I guess I was right. I had no idea about whom, though. As for the Don/Betty scene, I really don't get how that was supposed to lead us to believe they were thinking about other people. Granted, my mom pointed out that Betty seemed attracted to the creepy guy who hit on her while she was waiting for Trudy, but I think was more interested because he seemed to find her attractive as a pregnant woman. I was reminded even more of how much I hate Jane, and how I hope she and Roger end up miserable. What a immature, whiny bitch. Although, the scene of Roger in black face was the most offensive/hilarious thing I've ever seen on the show.
I'm not really sure what to make of the scenes with Joan and Dr. Rapist.
I'm not really sure what to make of the scenes with Joan and Dr. Rapist. As for this week's episode, they set the bar pretty high with Creepy Grandpa letting her drive. I have to say, I was shocked that he passed so soon. I thought the little girl who plays Sally did a great job in the scene yelling at the adults in the kitchen. It was juxtaposed well with the scene of her going in the living room to watch TV like her parents told her too and instead of seeing something escapist, seeing the story about the monk on the news. I really loved that scene with Don and Sal after the Patio account failed. It goes to show again that for all his flaws, Don has good qualities. He knows Sal's secret, and he doesn't care. Also, the Jai Alai references were hilarious, although I couldn't stand the guy who brought them the account. Peggy's new roomie seems like an airhead, so I'm curious to see how that works out.
ETA: Did anyone else think that Kitty figured out, or at least has a suspicion that Sal is gay after the way he presented the Patio commercial to her?
I have to say, I was shocked that he passed so soon. I thought the little girl who plays Sally did a great job in the scene yelling at the adults in the kitchen. It was juxtaposed well with the scene of her going in the living room to watch TV like her parents told her too and instead of seeing something escapist, seeing the story about the monk on the news. I really loved that scene with Don and Sal after the Patio account failed. It goes to show again that for all his flaws, Don has good qualities. He knows Sal's secret, and he doesn't care. Also, the Jai Alai references were hilarious, although I couldn't stand the guy who brought them the account. Peggy's new roomie seems like an airhead, so I'm curious to see how that works out.ETA: Did anyone else think that Kitty figured out, or at least has a suspicion that Sal is gay after the way he presented the Patio commercial to her?
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Regarding your spoiler, I think what we saw was someone's gaydar suddenly becoming activated.
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Regarding your spoiler, I think what we saw was someone's gaydar suddenly becoming activated.
How could it not have been? In that scene Sal made Richard Simmons look like John Wayne.
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I don't know if anyone is familiar with Carla Gallo, who starred in the short-lived TV show Undeclared (from the creators of Freaks & Geeks), but I'm pretty sure she played Peggy's potential new roommate.
She's also been in a couple Judd Apatow-produced films, and has a recurring role on Californication.
She's also been in a couple Judd Apatow-produced films, and has a recurring role on Californication.
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That was her for sure.
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Very nice...sweater.
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^I DVR'ed it because of the VMAs. I'll be watching tonight.
. I'll be watching tonight.
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I'll take it. But I only really did it for Michael Jackson, Green Day, Muse, and Russell Brand.
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I think this was the best episode so far this season. There was so much in it that I don't really know where to begin. Since the birth of baby Draper was the main focus of the episode, I guess that's as good a place as any. Betty's dream sequence/hallucination was fascinating. I thought it was interesting how childlike she acted during it, and it sort of reminded me of how weak Betty was during Season 1 and the first half of Season 2. During one of her an Don's arguments he said "Sometimes I feel like I'm married to a little girl." When Betty finally stood up for herself and kicked him out last year, it looked like she was growing, but to me this symbolized that she's still the repressed, immature woman she's always been. It's similar to the behavior of many women at the time, I think, who always had to rely on men to take care of them. In essence they were grown up little girls who were unable to do much besides cooking and cleaning on their own. Betty signing the birth certificate and choosing the name without Don (when it seemed he wasn't too keen, understandably, on the baby being named after Betty's dad) seemed to show her asserting her independence and equality, somewhat similar to Peggy's conversation with Don in the office demanding to be paid and treated the same as the men. I think all of this ties in with Pete showing his combined naivete (the conversation with the elevator operator) and yet his forward-thinking about the African-American market. After he got dressed down in the meeting, the British exec said something along the lines of "There's something happening here." It's clear that in the coming season(s) the Civil Rights movement is going to play heavily into the changing worlds of all these characters. Also, it's nice to know that Duck is still a sleazebag attempting to get Pete and Peggy over to his firm apparently in some petty attempt to get back at Don. On a side note, a great example of the deeper meanings in MM was Pete and Peggy's conversation after her conversation with Don. He asked her if she told him about Duck's offer, and she goes, "It's my decision." To which Pete responded "Your decisions affect me.". Brilliant. I'm also wondering if Don's going to bang Sally's teacher.
Emiline
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I love that Pete is turning into something approaching an actual human being. Sure it was great to have a twit to hate, but that got boring after a while.
I love that Pete is turning into something approaching an actual human being. Sure it was great to have a twit to hate, but that got boring after a while.
His reaction to that tv company sales report (sorry I can't remember the name) was so logical. The racial aspects of it didn't really matter. It was all about the bucks, as it should be. It's much like Don's reaction to Sal. It wasn't about him being gay it's the work that matters. The whole thing reminds me of the first season where Cooper tells Don that you never know where loyalty will come from. I see Pete on a journey to become much more Don like.
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