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Old 06-03-2002, 11:14 PM   #1
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Hey all, I'm trying to find a folk-punk sound in the general vein of the Minutemen and the Mekons (but more folk) and Uncle Tupelo (but more punk). If anyone has ANY idea of the sound I'm describing, or ANY idea of a band that might sound like this, I'd be utterly grateful. Thanks.
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You ever hear of
And You'll Know Us By the Trail of Dead?

Their cd, Source tags and codes is great.
Kinda punkish but with some great dynamic twists and stuff.
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You ever hear of
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Their cd, Source tags and codes is great.
Kinda punkish but with some great dynamic twists and stuff.
Yeah, that got pretty hyped up a few months ago upon its release, including a ridiculous 10.0 by Pitchfork (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record...nd-codes.shtml) I never quite understand its appeal--I enjoyed a song or two (Hand in the Heart of the Matter and the title track closer) but overall sounded like bland emo.

I don't really know the sound I'm looking for, but I can hear it in my head. I've been listening a lot to the Mekons and the Minutemen, two fantastic bands. But as I was listening to the latter's Double Nickels on the Dime (brilliant album) I realized I liked the folkier songs by far the most (History Lesson pt. 2 and No Exchange are some of the best songs ever.) I've been looking for something along those lines, but I'm mainly ending up at brash early 80s post-punk like X and the Meat Puppets and The Saints, which I enjoy but are not what I'm looking for. Hence my question.

By the way, one of the Mekons' best songs is "Blow Your Tuneless Trumpet," railing against a certain "dublin messiah scattering crumbs." You more fanatical Bono followers may want to avoid that one

Anyway thanks for the suggestion Basstrap. If anything else occurs to you or anyone else I'd be grateful to hear it.
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If anyone's curious, I found my answer in the Meat Puppets' Up on the Sun.
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Are you kidding me? The new Trail of Dead does not sound "emo" at all, at least not by the currently accepted definition of emo. Current emo is represented by The Get Up Kids, Saves The Day, Bright Eyes, Juliana Theory, Dashboard Confessional, and older material by The Promise Ring and Sunny Day Real Estate. Trail of Dead sounds vastly different, and is much closer to a mix between Sonic Youth and The Who.

If you don't like them, that's fine, I understand that, but to write them off as an emo band is simply incorrect and unfair to the musicians in the band. The songwriting, arranging, compostion and production is miles ahead of the "emo" genre led by the bands I mentioned above. I wouldn't give it a 10.0, but I would definitely give it a 9.

As to your request, try Veal, or Damien Jurado and Gathered in Song.

Glad to see other pitchfork readers here!
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I love him. Just got Ghost of David this weekend. "Ohio" is my favourite song of his by far, though.
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I love him. Just got Ghost of David this weekend. "Ohio" is my favourite song of his by far, though.
I like "Honey Baby" the most personally... by the way, to mug222, his latest CD is more rocking and less folky... the name of the album is I Break Chairs... by Damien Jurado and Gathered in Song.
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Trail of Dead sounds vastly different, and is much closer to a mix between Sonic Youth and The Who.
Please--perhaps in intent, but they are miles, miles, and miles away in terms of execution. To these ears, they really do sound like a second-rate emo band fronting as a punk-rock outfit. Have you read the lyrics? Trash, in my view.

But obviously they do have a good number of fans, so I am not trying to insult your view, just to provide my own.

Thanks for the suggestions, which I will definitely check out, and agreed that it is nice to find other pitchfork readers.

(as a footnote if anyone else is interested in pitchforkmedia.com: please please please do not judge by today's eminem review, as it is a load of pretentious bullocks and the worst review I've ever read there.)
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I like "Honey Baby" the most personally... by the way, to mug222, his latest CD is more rocking and less folky... the name of the album is I Break Chairs... by Damien Jurado and Gathered in Song.
I actually have this album on mp3...Some parts are very nice, but it's pretty hit-and-miss in my opinion.

Have you heard the new Songs:Ohia? I think that's some pretty good stuff.
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And, by the way, do you have the Minutemen's "Double Nickels on the Dime"? It's an amazing, amazing masterpiece.
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I'm not familiar with Songs:Ohia... but I think I'd like him, because I'm a big fan of Hayden, early Pedro the Lion, Damien Jurado, Denison Witmer. etc.

I'm not saying that Trail of Dead are as good as Sonic Youth (who are a bit over-rated, I think) or the Who (who were brilliant until their last few albums)... that would be a bit much. But I do think that they're closer to those kinds of bands than those in the emo scene. Think about it... most emo has whiny off-key vocals leading to cracking off-key shouts... jangly guitar picking bursting into distorted power chords... simple bass and drums that is hardly noticeable... stops and starts that are predictable and get tired quick.

Trail of Dead are quite different from that. From the vocals (not stellar, but on-key, and not nasally or whiny) to the guitar work (more mature, less predictable and stereotypical) to the intricate bass lines and thundering Keith Moon-ish drumming. Not to mention the arrangements and composition being light years ahead of your average emo band.

If you're going to call them an emo band, you can hardly call them second-rate. You'd have to call them an adventerous, groundbreaking first-class emo band.
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(as a footnote if anyone else is interested in pitchforkmedia.com: please please please do not judge by today's eminem review, as it is a load of pretentious bullocks and the worst review I've ever read there.)
I completely disagree with their Ed Harcourt review.
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If you are on the Pitchfork Boards (http://www.dragondata.com/~mich/yabb/YaBB.cgi) then you know that this discussion was a daily occurence for months (and I mean MONTHS) after the album came out. Each side has good arguments, and I don't feel like rehashing either. But rest assured that there is no "right" opinion of Trail of Dead, and you and I seem to be on complete opposite sides of the fence.
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I completely disagree with their Ed Harcourt review.
I don't. And if I were you, I would not check out their Starsailor or Elbow reviews, as I know you are a big fan of both. Though I disagree with them quite often, I happen to agree with all three of those reviews.
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Yeah, good call. No, I don't hang around the Pitchfork boards. Perhaps I should... I think I like a few too many mainstream bands to be accepted there, though.

Yeah, the Trail of Dead thing goes either way. There's a bunch of artists that are just raved about that I think are useless (Strokes, Death Cab for Cutie, etc.) No worries at all. No point arguing about this when I'm guessing we probably have more similarities in our musical tastes than differences.

Although I do like that Elbow album. I forget the review though... I think I thought the rating was a bit low at the time, but I could be wrong.
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