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Old 04-04-2007, 08:44 PM   #1
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Was listening to Throwing Copper today after ages and remembered how good this album is! Which made me think... I know nothing about any of their other material. Any fans of this band here? What's commonly considered their next best album?

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I loved Throwing Copper and think it's held up very well. But almost everything else that came after was just way too much. Too earnest, too over the top, just too damn much.

"Overcome" was beautiful, though, as was "Turn My Head." But god, didn't they ever get tired of being so serious? Ed Kowalczyk ... dang, man. Lighten UP.

Their debut album was pretty good, too, but not nearly as good as Throwing Copper.

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Old 04-04-2007, 08:55 PM   #3
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I've only ever really heard 'The Dolphin's Cry' from 1999, and while it's catchy enough, I don't think it's anything special.
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:57 PM   #4
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Their titles are just as earnest as they sound when you listen to them. Geez.

The Dolphin's Cry!
Lakini's Juice!
White, Discussion!

good NIGHT, guys - lighten UP!
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:58 PM   #5
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"Ed Kowalczyk's lyrics and singing remain indebted to early U2 - he wants to say something big in a big way." -

But it sounds like they took the earnestness and seriousness inspired by 80s U2 to a whole new level from what I'm reading about their follow up albums to Copper.
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:02 PM   #6
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I'm being pretty harsh with my snark, but I really do love Throwing Copper.

I Alone
All Over You
Selling the Drama

Good stuff. (But I really don't like "Lightning Crashes." No song should ever have lyrics regarding a placenta falling to the floor.)
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:04 PM   #7
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Their recent compilation (Awake) is quite strong throughout. As far as studio albums go, I don't believe that they ever matched Throwing Copper. Kowalczyk definitely has some serious pretensions...such as tring to reconcile the problems of life through a conflation of mystic Christianity, Buddhism, and the principles of Confucius.
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I grew up in the same part of central Pennsylvania as the band is from, and I was in late high school and early college when they became huge there for awhile in the late 90s. Okay, maybe they weren't ever huge, but they were pretty popular in my area.

The only Live album I still have is Secret Samadhi. I don't listen to it very often, but I'm pretty convinced the song "Ghost" was a William Faulkner novel in a past life. I had the first two awhile back, but I lost them somewhere along the way.

I agree that the band was influenced by a lot of U2's earlier angry but earnest work, but they stayed too static and didn't evolve the way U2 did.

Awhile back I found a live cover they did of Running to Stand Still that made me want to stick things in my eyes
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I have been a huge Live fan for years. I have seen them about 15 times in concert. However, I did not even listen to their last album. They kind of went pop. I was so sad.
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I really like Turn My Head, from Secret Somadhi. It shows Kowalczyk great vocal range more than any other. Such a beautiful song to.

I agree with Throwing Copper being by far their best album. Regardless of the placenta, Lightening Crashes is still one of, if not their best.
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Secret Samadhi is my favorite Live album, but Throwing Copper is probably their most well known album. I like Throwing Copper too.
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Old 04-04-2007, 10:00 PM   #12
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Throwing Copper is a good album, but their newer stuff is second-rate.
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Secret Samadhi is a great album. I like The Distance To Here as well as V. I really enjoy alot of their music. Their recent albums haven't enchanted me as much though.

Throwing Copper is frikkin brilliant though.
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I'm the same way. I liked the first two albums. I thought they were going to just be huge. I saw them on the Throwing Copper tour and it was a great show. Then that third album came out and it was a step down. Some songs were decent, but it wasn't there as a whole. The next one was another step backwards and I gave up on them. Plus, it seemed like Ed just grew more and more pretentious. The thing that really pissed me off was in about 97/98 Ed said that they can rock a stadium much better than U2 and U2 was losing it or something like that.

It's funny to see where the two bands are today.
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I bought the album V in '01. Only two or three songs are even bearable. Overcome is the best off that album.

It was definitely downhill after Throwing Copper.

I always loved Pain Lies On the Riverside and Operation Spirit from their first album Mental Jewelry as well.

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