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Old 03-04-2008, 09:08 PM   #406
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What I find interesting is a socio-religious comparison between the US and the rest of the Western world. Things were fairly equal a century ago, all things considered, but while the rest of the place secularised, you guys developed fundamentalism in a big way.

Personally, I think religion is in the first stages of its death throes in the Western world, and although the US lags behind most other places in social issues at present, it'll join the trend sooner or later.
Just me as an example, I've become much less religious in the past five years. It's becoming a turn-off, because it's so ... wrong all the time.
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Just me as an example, I've become much less religious in the past five years. It's becoming a turn-off, because it's so ... wrong all the time.


Ax how old are you?
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Well, it's not prog, but it's damn good. I think YLB put it best: "a classic in every sense of the word."

What other albums are you downloading?
I have to transfer every song individually. Each time, I get an error that the "file path is too deep", but it successfully transfers. This is lame. Not downloading anything else at the moment, though I know there's stuff I need to get onto. One of the other Daniels is going to kill me if I don't download Muse live at Wembley soon.
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I'm 21.
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One of the other Daniels is going to kill me if I don't download Muse live at Wembley soon.


Actually you can probably wait a few more weeks until the DVD is released with more tracks, there should be leak of that audio available too.

But the CD is fantastic as it is!
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Just me as an example, I've become much less religious in the past five years. It's becoming a turn-off, because it's so ... wrong all the time.
I was raised non-religious, had an atheist period, then a religious period, then realised I was right the first time.

Following the statistics, religion is absolutely fucked in New Zealand. At the start of the last century, over 90% of the New Zealand population was Christian. This only slowly declined; just before I was born, in the mid-eighties, 75% of New Zealand was Christian. But in my lifetime, it has plummeted. Now, only just over 50% of the population is Christian, 39% is explicitly "no religion", and if this trend continues on its current trajectory, within a decade, "no religion" will be the majority religious stance.

The crucial factor to note is that those in the 20-24 and 25-29 demographics in the mid-eighties who identified as no religion have not acquired religion later in life, i.e. it's not a youthful disregard for religion that later changes. They still today have the same rate of "no religion" now that they're 40-44 and 45-49. That, however, was still only a minority of the demographic - a very considerable one, but a minority. More ominously, the current 20-24 demographic is majority "no religion", with absolutely no indication that any change will occur.

And New Zealand has this funny habit of being a leader in social trends. Just look at women's rights ...
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Actually you can probably wait a few more weeks until the DVD is released with more tracks, there should be leak of that audio available too.

But the CD is fantastic as it is!
Oh, does the CD not have the whole gig?
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Oh, does the CD not have the whole gig?
Nope. Its 11 or so tracks. Pretty much a taste tester for the DVD.

But there are some fucking great performances on it!
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Nope. Its 11 or so tracks. Pretty much a taste tester for the DVD.

But there are some fucking great performances on it!
Wow, that's lame, I can't believe they wouldn't put the full gig on there.
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I was raised non-religious, had an atheist period, then a religious period, then realised I was right the first time.

Following the statistics, religion is absolutely fucked in New Zealand. At the start of the last century, over 90% of the New Zealand population was Christian. This only slowly declined; just before I was born, in the mid-eighties, 75% of New Zealand was Christian. But in my lifetime, it has plummeted. Now, only just over 50% of the population is Christian, 39% is explicitly "no religion", and if this trend continues on its current trajectory, within a decade, "no religion" will be the majority religious stance.

The crucial factor to note is that those in the 20-24 and 25-29 demographics in the mid-eighties who identified as no religion have not acquired religion later in life, i.e. it's not a youthful disregard for religion that later changes. They still today have the same rate of "no religion" now that they're 40-44 and 45-49. That, however, was still only a minority of the demographic - a very considerable one, but a minority. More ominously, the current 20-24 demographic is majority "no religion", with absolutely no indication that any change will occur.

And New Zealand has this funny habit of being a leader in social trends. Just look at women's rights ...
I'm still Christian, and always will be, but my attitude has strongly changed.
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Wow, that's lame, I can't believe they wouldn't put the full gig on there.
I know , but every band and his dog are doing this these days. At least the split enz one game with the dvd. even if it wasn't the complete gig.
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Does New Zealand have a state church?
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I have to transfer every song individually. Each time, I get an error that the "file path is too deep", but it successfully transfers. This is lame. Not downloading anything else at the moment, though I know there's stuff I need to get onto. One of the other Daniels is going to kill me if I don't download Muse live at Wembley soon.
I think you'd adore Low.
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No. The National Statement on Religious Diversity explicitly states that there is no official or established religion.

There is a minority that claims the Church of England is the state church due to the Queen's role in it. However, her role in the Church of England is as part of her position as Queen of England, not as Queen of New Zealand.
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