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Old 09-01-2007, 09:18 PM   #16
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I saw them live in '99 but unfortunately I wasn't a big fan so I didn't pay much attention, I just knew some of their songs and though they were kinda fun. I love them now and very much wish that they record a new album and tour the world. And if possible with Ace and Peter.
Ace and Peter coming back will not happen, no way...
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Reasons for Peter:

1. Peter was kicked off the 2003 tour for Eric Singer, who has been playing with Kiss recently.

2. He was kicked off of Kiss for serveral other reasons,

- He was asking for much more ridiculous money.
- Paul and Gene like Eric Singer better.
-Gene and Paul lied to the fans saying that Peter was too old (arm artirits) to play on tour, which Peter explained was a lie (on an interview on his site)

3. Peter also explained on another recent interview that he would love to have ONE final concert reunion to just have a happy ending with everyone..

4. Peter has a temper, watch the end of the video below and you'll know what im talking about...

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Reasons for Ace

1. Ace over all was just burnt out, he was just beat up, which I will show you in the same video below that Peters temper is in..

2. Ace wanted to go back solo, he was sick of every single night putting on the makeup and putting on 20 pounds of costume..

3. Ace was set, with Peter on the 2003 tour to play with Paul and Gene, until he found out that Aerosmith would be playing after KISS...Ego problems..



here's the video of Ace worn out, and at the end, Peters temper...Because of the mixing board..

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Old 09-01-2007, 09:20 PM   #17
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I was a huge huge fan as a kid they are just fun party music, nothing extraordinary but way better than a lot of rock music
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Old 09-01-2007, 09:25 PM   #18
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Well Peter's major problem is that he can't play anymore, from the Reunion Tour to the Farewell Tour his playing got worse not to mention the tour with Aerosmith but yes ego problems have always been a big issue in KIss
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Old 09-02-2007, 12:20 AM   #20
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Well Peter's major problem is that he can't play anymore, from the Reunion Tour to the Farewell Tour his playing got worse not to mention the tour with Aerosmith but yes ego problems have always been a big issue in KIss

Well actually he said he was playable for the next tour, that was in an interview on his site
... and he just recently came out with a new album...
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Old 09-02-2007, 01:45 AM   #21
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say what you want, but still, even in his prime, even on a good day can't Peter hold a candle to Eric Singer...


Eric Singer on a bad day >>> Peter on his prime


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w/ Peter:
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Old 09-02-2007, 05:19 AM   #22
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I agree with TPSreports2424.

Their made up faces are, of course, on the cover of their 70's albums so it was still both an audio/visual experience listening to KISS recordings. Even the 90's reunion album 'Phycho Circus' would not have been listenable without their costumes back on and that 3-D cover.

BTW, the late Eric Carr kicked both Singer and Criss' asses on the drums. After all, he was the 'FOX' with an army tank for a drum riser .
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Well I do think that Eric C was better then Peter and Eric S is better then Peter, but I have been to boths concerts with and without Peter, and (I cant find the word for it) the "mystic" just wasnt there, when Peter played, he just looked like god with his drums overbearing him, and Eric just looked like any drummer in any band..
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Well actually he said he was playable for the next tour, that was in an interview on his site
... and he just recently came out with a new album...
of course he is going to say that, but the man couldn't keep up be it age and all the drugs he took for decades, don't get me wrong I rather see the originals even if it means the songs are slowed down than with Eric S and Tommy T, which I've also seen and musically they are way better than Ace and Peter.

I've only heard a couple of Peter's new song, which just left me speechless, have you heard Space Ace?? and besides having a new album doesn't mean he played drums he just sang and played percussions
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I know that, I know that Peter is not the way he played in the 70's... I was just stating that Paul and Gene lied to the fans saying that the ONLY reason why he left the band was because he has arthirits, when there was def more than one reason why he left..

Peter's new album didn't surprise me, I knew it would be that kind of album. If you see the DVD, KISS: The Second Coming, (which is a 2 and a half hour documentary made by KISS that showed everything that happend behind the scenes right before the Reunion Tour (rehearsals) and everything right before the psycho circus tour.. I DEF recomend it) One time before a show you see Gene giving Peter all of these Box Sets of the "oldies stuff."

I am actually more surprised that Peter was in a band like Kiss, then more surprised of his new album..
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Well they never lied about THAT (God knows Gene is a pathologic liar) right from the tour in Austraia they said Peter was asking for a ridiculous amount of money, Gene said it again in his book and in VH1 behind the makeup

and yes I've seen the Second Coming, had it in VHS when it came out
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I assume that you are all appreciating KISS ironically

I cannot imagine the swarm of plebians who would actually listen to KISS in earnest, how dreadful
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Old 09-02-2007, 02:26 PM   #28
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Well they never lied about THAT (God knows Gene is a pathologic liar) right from the tour in Austraia they said Peter was asking for a ridiculous amount of money, Gene said it again in his book and in VH1 behind the makeup

Huh, never saw when they said that
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I agree that Peter had the best stage presence of any of the drummers. Eric Carr himself, if he were alive today, would tell you the same thing. In fact, according to the audio commentary on 'Kissology', Carr would constantly call up Criss asking if he's filling his shoes properly. I take back what I said about the 'Fox' upstaging the 'Cat'.

I still think ANYONE is better than boring Eric Singer. He's not even original, he has Peter's make up and costume on now. Gene Simmons owns the rights to both Ace Frehley's and Criss' stage characters, so he just gave them to Tommy T. and Singer respectively.

How lame is that?
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I liked them alot when I was in middle school. Saw them on the reunion tour (first show at Tiger Stadium) and I saw them on the Aerosmith tour once. Its a good live show and thats why they are popular ultimately IMO. Even U2 initially got the buzz going about them because of their live performances.

I do agree that alot of their music is a product of the make up and stage show and vice versa. But they actually do have a couple of very good cohesive hard rock albums IMO.

Destroyer is just a good complete rock album regardless of the make up.

Creatures Of The Night, same thing, actually probably better than Destroyer but didnt get as much attention.


What is good about Gene's greediness is that it occasionally pays dividends for their fans. Kissology 1 and 2 are a diehards dream IMO. Full vintage concerts from alot of their tours. Imagine if U2 did that. Would be a dream come true for me.
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