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Old 05-07-2008, 11:41 AM   #556
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And switching gears back to PT for a moment, I've decided that, while I like Moonloop a lot, it just makes The Sky Moves Sideways a bit too long. They should've had Stars Die included, and then on the bonus disc, put the entire 40 minute version of Moonloop there, along with the alternate Sky Moves Sideways.

What a fantastic 2CD set that would've been (although it's still excellent as is).
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Ooh, that looks awesome.
yeah the password protection and allowing users to add/delete is cool

http://www.eatlime.com/ is fast - allows the recipient to start dling while you're still uploading!
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yeah the password protection and allowing users to add/delete is cool

http://www.eatlime.com/ is fast - allows the recipient to start dling while you're still uploading!
As Axver stated previously, it's really a shame that OINK is gone. An official site like that one for a monthly fee would go a long way in solving the music business' problems.
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As Axver stated previously, it's really a shame that OINK is gone. An official site like that one for a monthly fee would go a long way in solving the music business' problems.
A legal Oink would threaten their current business model and require some very creative thinking. It would also probably require record companies to co-operate. And I think the current crop of executives are simply out of touch with this, and comfortable with the business model they have. Hence the RIAA fights the tide and nobody creates a legal Oink.
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With Born To Run, he clearly set out to create this "big sound", piling on the instruments. Darkness On The Edge Of Town, which followed, is more guitar driven.

And Nebraska is the acoustic record, with just him on guitar and harmonica.

But you most likely won't connect very strongly with either of those, either...
I'll definitely give Darkness On The Edge Of Town an Nebraska a listen, then. I mean, surely if I can connect with music as diverse as U2's October, Norwegian black metal, British prog rock, and the Dunedin Sound, then it isn't a totally lost cause!
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A legal Oink would threaten their current business model and require some very creative thinking. It would also probably require record companies to co-operate. And I think the current crop of executives are simply out of touch with this, and comfortable with the business model they have. Hence the RIAA fights the tide and nobody creates a legal Oink.
Absolutely. The profits of the old days are gone, and they need to get in touch with reality and embrace change. If they worked together and created a site like that, for a monthly fee, plus generating revenue through advertising and marketing, they'd still be quite alright. Will it be the same as before? No, but it's not going to be that way again anyway, so why not move forward?
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And switching gears back to PT for a moment, I've decided that, while I like Moonloop a lot, it just makes The Sky Moves Sideways a bit too long. They should've had Stars Die included, and then on the bonus disc, put the entire 40 minute version of Moonloop there, along with the alternate Sky Moves Sideways.

What a fantastic 2CD set that would've been (although it's still excellent as is).
So what happens to the Improvisation and Coda in that case?
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Speaking of PT...

I really don't mean to be picking on them but I'm not a fan of these lyrics either...

i simply am not here no way i
shut up be happy stop whining please

Of course musically, the song blows away anything in it's path!
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So what happens to the Improvisation and Coda in that case?
Well, they are both part of the 40 minute version, more or less, so would they be needed?

Unless you just had Moonloop as its own release with all versions, like Voyage 34.
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Absolutely. The profits of the old days are gone, and they need to get in touch with reality and embrace change. If they worked together and created a site like that, for a monthly fee, plus generating revenue through advertising and marketing, they'd still be quite alright. Will it be the same as before? No, but it's not going to be that way again anyway, so why not move forward?
In the next few years, they are really going to have to come to terms with this. We're now seeing bands achieving success online, without the record companies. The Internet hasn't proved to be the death of music as their scaremongering has said; in fact, I think it has been fantastic for music. People are listening to more and creating more. I am increasingly thinking that record companies may become a relic of the past, and those web designers who have the initiative to capitalise on online music will do the best.

I can imagine sites signing bands and giving them distribution and exposure online in a way a simple band website hosting files never could. Imagine something like Oink, with 1,000 bands signed to it, making their music available there rather than through traditional record companies. That would be revolutionary.
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Speaking of PT...

I really don't mean to be picking on them but I'm not a fan of these lyrics either...

i simply am not here no way i
shut up be happy stop whining please

Of course musically, the song blows away anything in it's path!
I've always been glad that I can't really understand that and it sounds more like syllables blurring together.
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Well, they are both part of the 40 minute version, more or less, so would they be needed?

Unless you just had Moonloop as its own release with all versions, like Voyage 34.
I feel it's nice to have the smaller, more manageable chunks, as the 40 minute thing isn't something I'm going to play just on a whim. But then, this is what we have PT's 10,000 limited releases for.
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Speaking of PT...

I really don't mean to be picking on them but I'm not a fan of these lyrics either...

i simply am not here no way i
shut up be happy stop whining please

Of course musically, the song blows away anything in it's path!
I actually think those lyrics were done that way on purpose, as if the person in the song is slowly going crazy and the lyrics are becoming inaudible.
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I can imagine sites signing bands and giving them distribution and exposure online in a way a simple band website hosting files never could. Imagine something like Oink, with 1,000 bands signed to it, making their music available there rather than through traditional record companies. That would be revolutionary.
This would be an excellent idea.
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I feel it's nice to have the smaller, more manageable chunks, as the 40 minute thing isn't something I'm going to play just on a whim. But then, this is what we have PT's 10,000 limited releases for.
I'd buy a limited release of the complete Moonloop, with all takes and edits included and remastered.
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