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Old 07-21-2003, 04:27 PM   #16
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see what you say about international football is how i feel about american football.
Me too. The last time I watched any football was last year when I put up with a half-hour of it while waiting for the U.S. Open tennis men's final. I don't know how many times they stopped the clock. This drives me up a wall. Then the team who lost, I can't remember who it was, lost because of some goofy reason. One of their players ran up the field without his helmet or something like that. I thought I was going to scream just waiting for the tennis to come on. I survived the wait. Fine athletes, boring sport (to me).
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I just read Ferguson has been compared to Lombardi!!!!

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Duh I know they wear shoes but those socks look so dorky!
Dorky......I think Knickers with socks pulled up to your knees (with no functionality) is WAT dorkier than socks up to the knees covering shin pads.

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knickers and socks......



Shorts and socks...................

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yep, you + 95% of everyone outside the US

American Football has possibilities
if they'd axe the ridiculous outfits +
didn't stop the game every 14 seconds

now that would be a game for real men to play
hooya!
rugby

ok there are probably more differences but I've always thought rugby (union especially) is the faster paced American football without the ridiculous outfits.
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Old 07-21-2003, 06:47 PM   #19
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i like Rugby. and have dated a few players.
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I wonder how many Americans are aware that your women's team is the best in the world? I'm not criticising....well, I guess I am, lol, but you're a very big sport loving nation and soccer is the biggest sport in the world...If you had even half the enthusiasm Europe does, it would make it an interesting game for sure.
From the standpoint of a purely passive consumer of sports, I don't think the US women's soccer team deserves much of the hype it has received recently, mostly because international women's soccer is still not very high-quality. How many teams have any real shot at winning the Women's World Cup this year?
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yep, you + 95% of everyone outside the US

American Football has possibilities
if they'd axe the ridiculous outfits +
didn't stop the game every 14 seconds

now that would be a game for real men to play
hooya!
I agree about the ugly uniforms, but the frequent stoppages of play are the reason that American football plays are incredibly detailed. Much more intricate than even the most complex set pieces in soccer, I dare say.

If you don't believe me, try watching an American football game from the sideline.
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The reason the game stops so frequently is because there is actual THOUGHT and PLANS and STRATEGY involved, not just kickign the ball wherever it happens to go.
And apparently they are too DUMB to execute those in real-time. In contrast, there are also thought, plans and strategy in soccer, but here you also have to have the skill to change and execute them in real time. There is (almost) no opportunity to to have some cosy tea-break to watch some commercials and having everything spelled out for you. So soccer is nothing like throwing an object (you cannot call something a ball when it isn't even round) wherever it happens to go.



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So its a bit like chess?


I didn't mean to start a huge debate in here over NFL v Soccer/football lol.

I would much rather a free flowing continuous game instead of having seconds of play only for it to stop and start again. I tried watching some once and I was so frustrated after a few minutes I gave up.
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And apparently they are too DUMB to execute those in real-time. In contrast, there are also thought, plans and strategy in soccer, but here you also have to have the skill to change and execute them in real time. There is (almost) no opportunity to to have some cosy tea-break to watch some commercials and having everything spelled out for you. So soccer is nothing like throwing an object (you cannot call something a ball when it isn't even round) wherever it happens to go.

Sports like basketball and hockey also operate continuously. In neither of those sports do the scripted plays even come close to the detail and complexity you find in football plays. The same holds for soccer.
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So its a bit like chess?


Some guy wrote an article to that effect in "Chess Life", the official magazine of the US Chess Federation.
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Okay....

I have played organized/organised American football, soccer, hockey, baseball and a few other sports. I have coached sports and covered sports for a newspaper. I have read many books on football/soccer as a cultural phenomenon in England, and have been a season ticket holder for an American football team. I have also worked for/with NBA, NHL, minor and major league baseball teams. This means I am an expert on this topic!

Apples to Oranges. American football to International Football to Rugby (union/aussie) - each are very unique, despite having similar aspects. Every sport has "set plays" despite how unorganized/unorganised it might look to the untrained eye.

American football has stops in action where the players are huddle, specific plays are determined (factoring in distance needed to move the ball to the appropriate "marker" for a "first down" or "score/touchdown" against specific defensive set-ups). Timing routes for receivers are determined, blocking patterns are determined, etc. etc. etc. It is quite intensive - and chess-like.

At the same time, in soccer/international football, when a ball changes possesion, it is moved in the opposite direction, sometimes finding an opportunity for a "break" if the defense is not set, or, even slowed down to set up an actual pre-determined play, that, oddly, is JUST as intricate as many of the NFL plays (coming down to specific ball placement at very specified times - much like getting a thrown ball to a receiver, but instead of having the control of your arm, you have to kick it and place it in the same narrow area a perfect pass would have to be dropped into.)

Apples to Oranges.
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and to toss in my girl comment of the day:

Male Soccer Players have the best legs!
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I prefer the NFL uniforms! They are all interesting, and the best thing is the pants will always be tight!! Baggies can never come into style in the NFL, because everything has to be tight fitting or someone can grab it and use it to tackle the guy. Some guys even tape down any wrinkle that sticks out. Tight pants mean better looking butts and legs. I like the shoulder pads too. The best thing about the helmet is, if the guy has a nice body but an ugly head, you don't have to see it I always loved the way Joe Montana's little blond curls stuck out from under his helmet in the back. I love the way a quarterback or reciever's eyes look so intense peeking from under the helmet.

Another thing I prefer about football is you can knock the guy over and stop him from running as long as you aren't unnecessarily rough or hit out of bounds or in the head and get a penalty. It's so frustrating seeing someone run, run, and you can't stop them. I have that problem with basketball. I'm thinking GET HIM! TAKE HIM DOWN! Well, in football, you can!
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