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Old 08-17-2001, 12:42 PM   #1
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Join us America in our pot smoking ways!

read this article and you'll get what im talking about;

QUEBEC (CP) - Police rarely charge anyone with marijuana possession because Canadians have an increasingly laissez-faire attitude to pot smoking, says a Vancouver police officer. Tom Stamatakis, president of the Vancouver police union, said, "People can still be charged with possession but it happens only a fraction of how often it used to. It's almost non-existent."
"You could walk in Vancouver and just smell the marijuana in any neighbourhood," said Stamatakis, interviewed Thursday at a meeting of the National Association of Professional Police.

Some other participants at the convention agreed it's time for the government to make up its mind on marijuana: either decriminalize it, or give police the funding they need to enforce the law.

"We're not getting a clear message and that's frustrating," said one police officer.

Stamatakis said Vancouver has about 7,000 marijuana-growing operations and there's little political will to shut them down.

The idea of decriminalizing marijuana possession has entered the mainstream recently, with proponents like Tory Leader Joe Clark and the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police.

The federal government has already endorsed the medical use of marijuana.

Some convention delegates said Ottawa may be preparing the public for decriminalization, which would remove the penalties linked to pot possession.

"We remember what happened with video lottery terminals. They were in on a trial basis, but we've got them for good," said one Quebec officer. "I get the feeling that's what's happening here."

Conservative Senator Pierre-Claude Nolin, an outspoken supporter of decriminalization, said many police officers feel privately the war on drugs has been a failure and a waste of money.

But they won't express that view openly, he said. "How many investigators tell us the same thing in private, only to continue the war on drugs the following day and - above all - defend it in public?"

Millions of dollars are wasted each year on laws which are almost ignored in some areas, said Nolin, chair of a Senate committee on illegal drugs.

For example, people convicted of simple marijuana possession in Toronto are 10 times less likely to serve jail time than others in the rest of Ontario, Nolin said.

The Senate committee, which began hearings last October, is scheduled to submit an initial set of recommendations next August.

Nolin said that even if he favours looser marijuana laws, the committee won't necessarily recommend decriminalization.

He said it may be impossible for Canada to act alone on decriminalization because of its shared border with the United States.

"Changing our laws without the Americans doing it? It's just about impossible. It can't be done," Nolin told reporters. "Maybe we'll convince them to come along with us."
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Old 08-17-2001, 07:58 PM   #2
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For the life of me, I can't figure out what makes pot worse than alcohol...

No one ever smokes pot and then comes home to beat up their spouse...
You never hear about someone smoking pot and driving their car and killing people...
Yes, there are side effects, but there are side effects to alcohol, hamburgers, and walking acrss the street.
Marijuana should be completely legal...it never will be, because politicians are very far removed from reality.
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Old 08-17-2001, 10:44 PM   #3
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i don't smoke tweed anymore b/c of allegies, BUT, i have no problem with people who do. it's just silly that it it is still illegal. will america always be so hypocritical???

i'm going to hempstock this weekend, in ME!!!
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Old 08-19-2001, 07:31 PM   #5
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man, where were you guys when i was arguing with melon a few months ago on this subject?!~?!?!? i could have used the help!
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I can't see it happening folks, if for no other reason than the fact that no politician would ever risk his/her career by voting for its legalization. (or even suggest such a thing for that matter) They wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of being re-elected.

For those claiming that politicians are "removed from reality", keep in mind that most of today's elected officials were the hash pipers of the 1960s. They probably can speak more accurately about pot's effects than you want to give them credit for.


I'm sorry, but the weakest argument for weed legalization is the "What about Alcohol?" rant. The legal presence of alcohol is a reason for KEEPING it illegal. We have enough people putting themselves and others at risk every day by being under alcohol's influence. Society doesn't need any more headaches.

It also would be a legislative nightmare. Can you imagine congress bothering to conduct a special session for all this? That's probably what it would take. Laws would have to be written to govern its production, distribution, and use. Should you legally be able to operate a vehicle stoned? What about using in public? Will businesses/industries still be able to enforce their drug-free employment policies? They damn well better be!

But, fear not, dear junkies-- The CIA will always be there to support your cravings--legal or not!


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Old 08-25-2001, 12:44 AM   #7
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hello?...what did we elect them for in the first place...to sit on there asses and not make new legislation?
I'm quite certain I didn't vote for them to waste their time on this.
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Old 08-25-2001, 03:08 AM   #8
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Seriously, I didn't elect them to make it easier for people like you to get their kicks, have a good time and "get messed up!" as my friends used to say.

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Old 08-25-2001, 03:24 AM   #9
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It also would be a legislative nightmare. Can you imagine congress bothering to conduct a special session for all this? That's probably what it would take. Laws would have to be written to govern its production, distribution, and use. Should you legally be able to operate a vehicle stoned? What about using in public? Will businesses/industries still be able to enforce their drug-free employment policies? They damn well better be![This message has been edited by StarsnStripes (edited 08-23-2001).]
hello?...what did we elect them for in the first place...to sit on there asses and not make new legislation?
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Seriously, I didn't elect them to make it easier for people like you to get their kicks, have a good time and "get messed up!" as my friends used to say.

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"people like me"??? what do you mean by that, i've never been high in my life..i haven't been drunk before either.

and im sure your "friends" want to get messed up, for whatever reason but i do not wish to get messed up.

and one more thing, why would it be a waste of time for them to do this?..would you rather them have more time spent on voting if they should get higher pay? I don' think that this would be a waste of time, nothing that is considered an "issue" is....and since you have an opinion on it that differs from mine..then it's an issue.
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The reason I used "people like you" is because your thread title is "Join US America in our pot smoking ways!" which is first person.

People, including you and my friends, have different characterizations for the buzz/effects/relaxation they achieve from pot.

I think there are a lot of other legislative issues that have priority over making pot more convenient to smoke.

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The reason I used "people like you" is because your thread title is "Join US America in our pot smoking ways!" which is first person.
Nice save!!

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Old 08-27-2001, 07:37 PM   #13
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It has been my determination throughout the history of your pot threads that you favor it both for recreational and medicinal purposes. I favor it for neither.

The only reason to make it legal for recreational purposes is to make it more convenient for "stoners" to get "stoned."

The only reasons to make it legal for medicinal purposes are as an appetite enhancer and as a pain reliever; there are other remedies for both of these sypmtoms, but I guess "gettin' stoned" at the same time would make it a little more fun.

(perhaps my "quick judgement" and "sterio type" (sic) of you were partially accurate?)

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Old 08-28-2001, 03:55 AM   #14
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not quite....

as you should know "pot" is also used as a pain reliever in very ill ppl....cancer etc...

now...if you were refering to "those ppl" i'm sure you wouldn't have the majority on your side...but since you are obviously talking about the "stoners"(i'll give you the benifit of the doubt) you WILL have all those morally upright citizens at your call. so in that case i guess it would be a "nice save".

but just one more question, how do you know that im not from the first group..before you so quickly sterio typed me?


(im not but im just trying to show you how quickly you judge)->and for you information the title was a joke

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Old 08-28-2001, 01:48 PM   #15
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acually...to make it legal wouldn't make it easier to get. I could go outside right now and in 5min i would have a dime. my idea is to get the gov. to admin/regulate the "pot" and get 100% of the profits from it. (legalizing pot wouldn't be the end of the world, it's already been done in other places. I think the only reason it's somehting that took this long to come up is because we[canada] are located smack on the boarder with a country that wants to remain "politaclly correct"...it would have been legalized in the 60s by Canada if it wasn't for regans wife and her "just say no" campaigne that scared the Canadian ...lazy ass...polloticians in to re-thinking there idea)

and for medical purposes its used for people that know there is no other possible treatment for there illness and who just want to releave the pain.

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