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Old 03-06-2007, 01:49 PM   #1
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is there such a thing as 'intelligent music'?

everyone has probably heard radiohead being talked about as 'rock's most intelligent band'. and you can read posts saying 'old school metallica WAS intelligent'. some people call songs such as vertigo 'stupid'. but does it make sense? what defines 'intelligent' music?

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Old 03-06-2007, 01:53 PM   #2
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Good question. What really defines "intelligence" anyway? One man's down is another man's up.

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hooo boy, here we go...

Well it's all subjective isn't it?

I mean there is some music that I guess you can clearly classify as not intelligent; Paris Hilton's music for example....

To call music intelligent is harder I think because everyone has a different view, to me I find a simple set of words to be genius but others may think I'm crazy...

And what about classical music? There are no words at all but that certainly doesn't detract from the sophistication of the music itself.
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hooo boy, here we go...

Well it's all subjective isn't it?

I mean there is some music that I guess you can clearly classify as not intelligent; Paris Hilton's music for example....

To call music intelligent is harder I think because everyone has a different view, to me I find a simple set of words to be genius but others may think I'm crazy...

And what about classical music? There are no words at all but that certainly doesn't detract from the sophistication of the music itself.
I don't think you can clearly classify any music as intelligent or unintelligent. Even Paris Hiltons... For her to make her album, there had to be intelligent musicians playing the music. Intelligent and creative people in the studio. Art takes intelligence, I think no matter what we may think of it subjectively. Even the Barney song has intelligence in that someone had to be smart enough to come up with something so insufferably memorable and have vision enough to know that kids would find it irresistable.

Now, lyrics you can classify as intelligent, non intelligent or neutral I suppose given your interpretation or their intent, and there I'll agree with your Paris example.
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Music can't be intelligent, but the listener can be.
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Who ever called Metallica 'intelligent'?
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I strongly suspect that the whole "intelligent music" thing was coined was so that people could pat themselves on the back for listening to "intelligent music" and feel all nice and exclusive,

And it's all awfully subjective; after all many people think that all rock music is dumb, simple and stupid compared to, say, classical.
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i can see why people say it. i think in most contexts intelligent is music that is not instant or easily accessible. music that reveals more the more time is spent listening. i think that would be the case with classical music. does that mean something that is immediately accessible is not intelligent? no i don't think so but I think that is the way it is described a lot of the time. I think that is why someone may say vertigo is dumb in that context. i personally think its the opposite, b/c its not easy to song that is immediately accessible. For me what really makes it intelligent is when its both. When you hear it and its immediate, but has layers and just gets better. (Like a lot of U2).

i think of it in terms of a quote i heard from the bassist from tool, a year or so ago: "With us, it sucks — you don't get any music for a long time, but when you do, it's something you can sink your teeth into. It lasts a little longer. Think of it like fast food — sure, it's instantly satisfying, but it doesn't really sort you out in the long run. I don't know which is better, but that's just how we roll, you could say."

as he says something you can sink your teeth into, i think thats the way a lot of people define intelligent music. at least that is what i think, but who knows i'm not that intelligent.
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What about those songs that helped you learn your times table?
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Uh...that music stupid...
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