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Old 08-09-2002, 07:50 AM   #151
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Re: Re: Very typical of 4A and Wanderer.... shame...

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And i say "nice knowing you" to those who (despite this being about donations, so no one is obliged to give money) insist on pushing some sort of guilt feel upon those who didn't/won't pay for whatever reason.

And what does it matter whether frequent posters or lurkers donate? Besides, doesn't it make sense that if people have second thoughts now, they will be even less likely to stick around should this become a pay site?
I don't want to zoom in on you, U2girl, as I do like you. And I feel you are correct in all of your observations.

However, I stand by my earlier comments. And if people can't donate just a bit, all ll I can say is "BUH BYE! Don't let the door hit your *ss on the way out."

Seriously, we had this issue last year when Elvis - who has poured in tons of his own $$ to this site - asked for some donations. People balked then. Lo and behold, I see those same "balkers" dominating the forums (including those who claim that they now don't post as much...) a year later - and they still insist that they shouldn't/wouldn't/couldn't/won't donate. Odd that those who complain the loudest seem to post the most.

If someone truly has a financial concern, I empathize. These comments aren't directed to those people. But I know most do not have these extreme difficulties. And after seeing these people dominate the forums - forums that they refuse to financially support - all year, I am left with an even more acrid taste in my mouth than I had last year.

If Elvis was asking for $24/month - which many on-line sites charge (and I'm not talking about porn sites, you pervs , I've seen this on numerous sites, like movie sites) - then I can understand the situation. That is a lot of $$ for people and an added expense during a tough economy. Even I might have to pass. However, he's just asking for about $24 a year - that's just $2/month. For those of you with thousands of posts, if $2/month is something you refuse to pay (because of some bizarre principle) or you dislike people making you feel guilty, then leave.

Of course, most of this is moot. Elvis is not instituting a yearly fee, he is just asking for donations. If you do not want to donate, I think it would be best to shut your traps and enjoy the free ride. Don't berate Elvis's request or those who do donate.

Plus, I challenge you to find elsewhere on this world wide reticulation another U2 fan forum site as solid as Interference. If you can and do find one, I suggest you abscond from here and join their forces. We won't miss you.
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as for doctorwho, your elitist attitude is nothing new, but the next time you want to take a jab at people who dont agree with you on this issue, particularly foray and wanderer, please make sure you include me too, so that i may feel your wrath as well.

truly even you, in hind-sight can realize the stupidity of putting down people who put their thoughts down for everyone to see? there was nothing arrogant or pushy with what they said, so what makes you act the way you do towards them?

and how exactly is the response "typical" of foray and wanderer?

do you even know foray AT ALL?



please, follow helloangel's lead and take the road of tact. thank you.
Actually, I thought I was quite tactful. And who are you, one of the most disgraceful and tactless people on this forum, to lecture me on how to post? You call me elitist, but I have seen nothing but this attitude from you and your cliquish friends here. I have often been offended by your words, but said nothing. The same is true for Wanderer and Foray. Funny how the people that dominate these boards become defensive and irate when they are actually challenged on the triviality of their posts.

Furthermore, based on the posts I have read, this was a VERY typical attitude from Wanderer and 4A (and you). Just because I haven't "attacked" their posts these past few years, doesn't mean I support them. I find that they are extremely obstinate and unyielding. Sure, at times they are funny, but even when they post something idiotic, they stand by their post as if it should win a Nobel Prize. Do I know them? The better question is, do I even want to know them based on their behavior here?

Last year we had this debate and some of the SAME people complained. Yet, as I wrote in another post, these people find nothing wrong with making hundreds, if not thousands of posts a year. If they cannot donate $2/month to something that clearly gives them hours of entertainment in order to help keep this site going, then I have no respect for them.

Plus, I repeatedly stated that if they are financially strained, then my words are not directed to them. However, it appears that this is not the situation. For the most part, the naysayers in this room refuse to donate based on some bizarre principle - one that I strongly oppose.

So therefore, BEAR, shut your mouth on this topic. Enjoy your free ride and post away with your thousands of monikers on all the usual banal issues you discuss. But don't chastise those who feel at least some moral obligation to help Joel, who has paid TONS of his own $$ for this site.

If you don't want to donate, don't. Enjoy the web site and thank those who do donate. And if Joel is forced to instate an annual charge, then you can quietly leave and find somewhere else to discuss your views. I'm sure the world awaits to here what you have to say... But I absolutely will not stand for anyone slamming me or Joel on this issue. He is making a request - that's it and that's all. If you don't like it, fine, but don't lecture me on why you shouldn't donate or how you will leave if Joel institutes this fee. You aren't operating this website and you have NO idea of the expenses he is currently paying on his own.
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Old 08-09-2002, 08:22 AM   #153
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Is this the royal 'we'?

Seriously, I think people need to get a grip. Maybe all of us should donate some funds, however we don't all have the means (and I don't just mean the money, I mean the actual infrastructure to make the online kind of payment). And of course most people acknowledge this yadda yadda.

Um. Really. I think this forum could so easily become politically driven, if it isn't already. Arguments over money do not help. And I read enough to know it's not *just* about money, but rather some personal vendettas.

Still, one pleasant aside - am I the only person to notice that Lemonite seems to have disappeared from Interference? Now that's what I call Douche-Tastic!

And yes, that is hypocrisy of the rankest kind. That, Lemonite, is because I don't like jackboot libertarians.
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I'd like to also say thanks to HelloAngel for her clarification, much appreciated!

Now doc, honestly...

If you attack wanderer, foray, and deathbear, why aren't you slamming everyone else who said no?
I don't think bear was even attacking you, rather he was defending himself and the others after you did refer to them in an ever so superior 'why am i not surprised' tone.
It's also lost on me as to how you can infer that people MUST donate if they have the money to do so. You say if they don't donate they should not berate those who do, but what about those who do not berating those who don't?
The generalisations you make about the behaviour of certain individuals on this board are just that- generalisations. If anything they're proof that you made up your mind about certain folks ages ago and haven't shifted or tried to shift from that point of view. Some things you said, about multiple monikers in particular, prove this beyond doubt.
As for 'bizarre principles', what on earth is bizarre about actually thinking that some money is better spent elsewhere? Not to criticise Elvis, but as with anything that is ambitiously increased in size, scope and coverage, costs will rise in direct relation to that size. To address certain members of this place as though its their responsibility to cover this cost whether they like it or not is a bit rich.

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I learned a while ago (the hard way) that this kind of sabre rattling, brow beating 'its all a big website contest' rhetoric is pathetic, childish and tiresome. This is a fan website for crying out loud, not a border war.

Now I'm done with negatives, one positive...your Grammys quote signature is beaut!
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Yet, as I wrote in another post, these people find nothing wrong with making hundreds, if not thousands of posts a year. If they cannot donate $2/month to something that clearly gives them hours of entertainment in order to help keep this site going, then I have no respect for them.
I do not agree with this
I don't see why I should lose respect for someone because they won't pay for something they don't want to pay for
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I do agree with this
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If you don't want to donate, don't. Enjoy the web site and thank those who do donate. And if Joel is forced to instate an annual charge, then you can quietly leave and find somewhere else to discuss your views. I'm sure the world awaits to here what you have to say... But I absolutely will not stand for anyone slamming me or Joel on this issue. He is making a request - that's it and that's all. If you don't like it, fine, but don't lecture me on why you shouldn't donate or how you will leave if Joel institutes this fee. You aren't operating this website and you have NO idea of the expenses he is currently paying on his own.
i agree. it's ironic that the financial crisis last year was brought up, as i was reading the thread about it just yesterday. i'd stopped coming to the forum (for personal reasons) and had missed all of this.

anyway, i dunno, maybe it's because the only other forum i go to is a pay-only forum, meaning you have to pay $10 to register, or maybe it's because i know how expensive it is to run this site (just from the posts elvis has made). i know people shouldn't be forced to pay for this site or even make donations, but is it really fair to just expect the same people to make donations over and over again?

i don't want to have to come up with a $50 or so donation every couple months to make up for the people who refuse to donate. it isn't fair. i know i haven't donated anything yet, but i have no job and literally no spare money. as soon as i get my first paycheck, i'll definitely donate. but it's not fair or right to expect others to pick up the non-donating's slack. i wouldn't subscribe to a magazine and pay $100 a year instead of the usual $20 because there are four people who refuse to pay for it.
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Just throwing my 2 cents in...

I helped last year with a contribution to interference, and I plan to make another contribution, but not until September. Right now, I have a whole $7 in my checking account (the lowest it's ever been) and I'll be getting my financial aid refund check then. So I plan on giving...but right now, I've got some serious money issues.
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Oi....

First, doctorwho, let me say i didn't vote. I probably would have donated, but:
- i don't have a credit card
- i'd rather not send money via snail mail because i'm afraid it might get lost on the way

Boo me if you want.

Still it confuses me that you say people who post the most should donate - that's what you're saying right? There's 7000+ members (ok, multiple handles or not) - so that means probably a lot more than the initial 20 people will donate.
And it really isn't likely, Khanada, that the same people would give the money all the time.

Could we stop throwing guilt around about these donations?
And i really think that no one needs to "earn" or "buy" himself/herself the right to be here.
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I think we are turning this into something it is not. It's not personal. It's reality.

Elvis need $5,000.00 a year to keep the sight going. He either gets the money from us or we will have to deal with pop-up ads or something to pay for the sight.

If you can donate, then donate.

If you can't, then don't.

It's not that complicated.
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Actually, I thought I was quite tactful. And who are you, one of the most disgraceful and tactless people on this forum, to lecture me on how to post? You call me elitist, but I have seen nothing but this attitude from you and your cliquish friends here. I have often been offended by your words, but said nothing. The same is true for Wanderer and Foray. Funny how the people that dominate these boards become defensive and irate when they are actually challenged on the triviality of their posts.

Furthermore, based on the posts I have read, this was a VERY typical attitude from Wanderer and 4A (and you). Just because I haven't "attacked" their posts these past few years, doesn't mean I support them. I find that they are extremely obstinate and unyielding. Sure, at times they are funny, but even when they post something idiotic, they stand by their post as if it should win a Nobel Prize. Do I know them? The better question is, do I even want to know them based on their behavior here?

Last year we had this debate and some of the SAME people complained. Yet, as I wrote in another post, these people find nothing wrong with making hundreds, if not thousands of posts a year. If they cannot donate $2/month to something that clearly gives them hours of entertainment in order to help keep this site going, then I have no respect for them.

Plus, I repeatedly stated that if they are financially strained, then my words are not directed to them. However, it appears that this is not the situation. For the most part, the naysayers in this room refuse to donate based on some bizarre principle - one that I strongly oppose.

So therefore, BEAR, shut your mouth on this topic. Enjoy your free ride and post away with your thousands of monikers on all the usual banal issues you discuss. But don't chastise those who feel at least some moral obligation to help Joel, who has paid TONS of his own $$ for this site.

If you don't want to donate, don't. Enjoy the web site and thank those who do donate. And if Joel is forced to instate an annual charge, then you can quietly leave and find somewhere else to discuss your views. I'm sure the world awaits to here what you have to say... But I absolutely will not stand for anyone slamming me or Joel on this issue. He is making a request - that's it and that's all. If you don't like it, fine, but don't lecture me on why you shouldn't donate or how you will leave if Joel institutes this fee. You aren't operating this website and you have NO idea of the expenses he is currently paying on his own.
thank you! your response solidified everything i said!

i didnt put down elvis, i support the idea of fundraising, and i have said so since the beginning. however, not all of us agree with actually donating ourselves. thanks for the guilt trip though. *claps

this does not make us less respectable, as you have said it does.
i rest my case, everyone can see for themselves how your generalizations fail miserably in the face of the truth.
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thank you! your response solidified everything i said!

i didnt put down elvis, i support the idea of fundraising, and i have said so since the beginning. however, not all of us agree with actually donating ourselves. thanks for the guilt trip though. *claps

this does not make us less respectable, as you have said it does.
i rest my case, everyone can see for themselves how your generalizations fail miserably in the face of the truth.

Oh... did you just donate your time to help brainstorm for fundraising ideas?

http://forum2.interference.com/showt...threadid=62091

lol.

bear, don't worry (not that you would), I don't expect anything from you.

*crowns bear with a 10cent yellow sponge
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hmmm... well I haven't voted over in PLEBA, I'll have to look into that, but one really can't put a price on porn


SO if this thing becomes a pay sight, then does that mean I can post my porn pics???

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Only if we can bring back the Elevated threads!!!
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*is still waiting for an answer as to how 7,000 x $24 = $5,000*

and doctorwho, it's a shame there are U2 fans like you who have such a spiteful and elitist attitude, that's the one downside to being a U2 fan I guess, that sometimes there are fans with this type of attitude and agenda; you've obviously gone out of your way yet again to go on the offensive against certain people you don't like, what wretched behaviour, I thought you were above all this? oh wait, you are *above* us, or we're beneath you, that's why you're pointing it out
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