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Old 10-14-2003, 08:13 PM   #16
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mainstream rock is dead yeah
but indie rock lives on
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Old 10-14-2003, 09:37 PM   #17
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Go and download off Kazaa or wherever 'Are you gonna be my girl' by Jet. They are an Aussie band, this song is huge here at the moment, and it probably will be when it gets released overseas.

If you wanna hear some rock'n'f*ckn'roll.

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This is something I've been thinking about for awhile...

I think music in general has hit a rut. Labels no longer want to really harvest new bands, they want some hits right away and then they're left to the wind.

Even the music that dominates the charts right now is just watered down versions of the good music. We're not being exposed to the best Hip Hop, Pop, or Rock.

I would love the day when we were truly exposed to the best of the best. Can you imagine turning on the radio and listening to Public Enemy or KRS-1 instead of P Diddy, or Sarah Mclachlan or Heather Nova instead of Britney, or a true punk band instead of Good Charlette. Maybe my comparison's aren't the best(lack of sleep) but you get my drift.

I think a big part of it comes down to the artist versus the labels. The labels have too much power these days. No matter what genre you look at when it comes to big exposure you're looking at a label puppet. Now that maybe a little extreme and there's always a few exceptions. But for the most part you won't see a band like Radiohead get huge big time exposure from MTV or radio becuase they don't fit and they are not WILLING to fit into what the labels think people want. But the Britney's, the Nickelbacks, Good Charlettes, and P Diddy's will bend and fold anyway the label tells them and that's why they are being played and why we are being overexposed.

Bands like Radiohead and Pearl Jam consciously decided to back away from the spotlight. That's cool I respect their wishes, but can you imagine how things may have changed a couple of years ago when you had U2, Radiohead, Pearl Jam all releasing really great albums, if they had all decided to really promote the music how rock radio would have changed. At least for awhile. Bands like those can decide to play the promotion game and do it on their own terms, they wouldn't have had to be the puppet, well at least to the extent of others. Well I guess it's just wishful thinking.

The future is bleak. With Clear Channel and others running the radiowaves and labels getting greedier and greedier, I'm not sure what will happen. I imagine a world someday that's actually ran by the opinions of listeners and not some greedy fatcats behind desks.

I mean when you have a world where Jeff Buckley, Doves, Grant Lee Buffalo, or Tricky have hardly seen the radiowaves or Johnny Cash loses to Justin you have problems. Big ones.

End of rant...back to the original program.
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well said BonoVoxSupastar
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I was basically asking the same thing in my recent post "where is the rock?"

because
I just don't see it.

I agree with the pearl jam/radiohead/coldplay ideas....but that's it?

WE NEED MORE.
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mainstream rock is dead yeah
but indie rock lives on
Yup, just stick to the underground scene of whatever type of music you prefer. Don't have faith in the mainstream to find good tunes.
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I was basically asking the same thing in my recent post "where is the rock?"

because
I just don't see it.

I agree with the pearl jam/radiohead/coldplay ideas....but that's it?

WE NEED MORE.
What are you looking for??
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What are you looking for??
I'll tell you man....(or woman):


melodies man....good melodies to sing
guitar that takes you places....not crappy riffs or the same old chord changes
bass lines you can actually feel and hear
drums that do more than 2 and 4
some good recording and production would be nice
the ability to back it up live
in general: great songwriting by musicians who know what they're doing and don't sound like korn.
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I'll tell you man....(or woman):


melodies man....good melodies to sing
guitar that takes you places....not crappy riffs or the same old chord changes
bass lines you can actually feel and hear
drums that do more than 2 and 4
some good recording and production would be nice
the ability to back it up live
in general: great songwriting by musicians who know what they're doing and don't sound like korn.
Didn't I recommend some bands on some other thread you created??
Check those bands out and tell me if they fit your criteria
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been away a couple days.....


will do and thank you.
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been away a couple days.....


will do and thank you.
I forgot to mention Paradise Lost, probably one of the most underrated band's of the 90's. Highly recommended
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Rock will always live as long as there are Zeppelin and Floyd fans around. Personally I can't stand either of them (well maybe not can't stand, but they're not really my scene at all), but those two are/were the biggest bands in the world, and people will always be passing their records down to their kids.
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Back in the fold...

Long Live Rock, I live it every night,
Long Live Rock, Come on and join the fight,
Long Live Rock, Be It Dead Or Alive...

Listen To Mr. Townshend, for it is pure and easy.

We Don't Get Fooled Again...

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Rock is Dead they say... Long Live Rock!
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I'll tell you man....(or woman):


melodies man....good melodies to sing
guitar that takes you places....not crappy riffs or the same old chord changes
bass lines you can actually feel and hear
drums that do more than 2 and 4
some good recording and production would be nice
the ability to back it up live
in general: great songwriting by musicians who know what they're doing and don't sound like korn.
ATHLETE
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I live in a small town in the Midwest, and even here the teens/20-somethings seem to be way more into rap than rock - at least judging from what I hear blaring out of open car windows. And I honestly don't see very many rock bands out there that masses of young people can identify with in the intense way that past generations identified with The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, U2 or Nirvana. Sure, there's Radiohead, but it's hard to imagine them ever having more than cult following (OK, a pretty big cult following, but they simply are not household names out here in flyover land).
*Nods*

That's the case for the most part over here. A lot of kids at my old school who did listen to rock music listened to Bob Dylan and Jimi Hendrix and AC/DC and them, or they listened to DMB and Radiohead.

And if you didn't listen to that stuff, you were either listening to rap or country instead.

That being said, I don't think rock is dead. I think basically what BonoVoxSupastar said is true-there are some good rock artists out there now (I hear them on the Progressive DMX channel and things along that line), but they just aren't being played on MTV and places like that because they don't fit a certain label, they don't have the look.

BonoVox's post also looked very bleak-yeah, Clear Channel's definitely screwed things up big time with radio. And it's sad, but true, labels do hold the power nowadays.

However, considering how many people have started to stop listening to radio over time because of things like that satelite radio and stuff along that line, that introduces a whole new way of listening to music will come about, where labels won't be a problem, and things like Clear Channel will fall apart, and maybe then we'll be able to enjoy the truly good rock music without having to worry about formats or labels or things along that line. And then rock won't seem so dead anymore to people, because they will finally get to hear some of the really good rock music being made nowadays.

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