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Old 04-01-2002, 04:56 PM   #1
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,

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are you serious?!?!?

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Well if your talking defensive Jordan is one of the greatest if you talk offensive he is the greatest. If you talk clutch, greatest. If you talk rings greatest.

I'll say greatest.

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Jordan is the greatest of all time, IMO. However, Jordan won his championships against teams that Bird's Celtics and Magic's Lakers (except the 91 team, for obvious reasons) would have beaten handily. After Magic's 91 team, Jordan beat Drexler's Blazers, Barkley's Suns, Malone and Stockton's Jazz and Payton's Sonics. He would not have won 6 championships had he played his prime years in the 1980's. If he entered the league with Magic and Bird, he probably would have been considered merely their equal rather than the unequivocally the greatest of all time. That said, he probably is.

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those Laker and Celtic teams may have beaten those Blazer/Sun/Jazz/Sonic teams handily, but so what, Jordan's Bulls would have beaten those Laker and Celtic teams more often than not, especially the late 90s team with Rodman/Harper/Kukoc; those Celtic and Laker teams couldnt match the defensive juggernaut of that Bulls team
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Is Jordan The Greatest Of All Time?

Well, I'm a Bird fan myself-then of course there's Bill Russell, Magic, et al.

And what are the criteria? i.e.individual stats vs. being more of a team player

point scoring vs. defensive capability, rebounding, etc.

What do you think-is he? I guess even I'd have to admit he probably is, even though it's also subjective-and we all weren't around to see the 'old timers'
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I think the only NBA player comparable to Jordan is Wilt Chamberlain, but Jordan has an edge when it comes to playing in the clutch. Sure, Wilt won two rings, but he was never seen as a 'big game' player...just look at how many times Bill Russell topped him.

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those Laker and Celtic teams may have beaten those Blazer/Sun/Jazz/Sonic teams handily, but so what, Jordan's Bulls would have beaten those Laker and Celtic teams more often than not, especially the late 90s team with Rodman/Harper/Kukoc; those Celtic and Laker teams couldnt match the defensive juggernaut of that Bulls team
Um...try to imagine Luc Longley and Bll Cartwright defending Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Robert Parish for a moment, please.
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Well if your talking defensive Jordan is one of the greatest if you talk offensive he is the greatest. If you talk clutch, greatest. If you talk rings greatest.

I'll say greatest.

I've never been impressed with Jordan's defensive ability. It seems like he makes all his defensive plays when he gets assigned to the other team's weaker guard and can play help defense against guys driving to the basket.
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haha!!!!

oh man, well you ruined all your credibility with that last statement speedracer, you're starting to sound like Bill Walton

say what you want about the center matchups, but I seem to recall the Bulls being able to contain centers in the East like Patrick Ewing and Shaquille O'Neil on a regular basis, and of course they it goes without saying they did the same to guards and forwards like Malone, Stockton, Payton, Kemp, Reggie Miller, Drexler, Hardaway (both), Barkley, KJ, etc, etc, etc...
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Um...try to imagine Luc Longley and Bll Cartwright defending Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Robert Parish for a moment, please.
Even better would be imagining anyone from those Bulls teams trying to stop Kevin McHale in the low post.
The Celts and Lakers of the 80's would have found ways to slow MJ down (Dennis Johnson or Micheal Cooper for example), and the Bulls other options would have been few...whereas if you stop Bird, you have to deal with McHale and Parish, you stop Magic, you still deal with Kareem and Worthy...those 2 teams were far superior to any Bulls team.

As for an individual, Jordan is certainly at or near the top, its just tough to compare eras...but he was no Paul Mokeski.

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oh man, well you ruined all your credibility with that last statement speedracer, you're starting to sound like Bill Walton
Sounding like Bill Walton, you say? As in arrogant and condescending?

I stand by my claim. Jordan absolutely hated defending guards who run all over the court, and he's admitted as much publicly.

Jordan was certainly a good defender, but as for on-the-ball defense and team defense combined I'll take Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, Joe Dumars and Gary Payton over Jordan any day.

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say what you want about the center matchups, but I seem to recall the Bulls being able to contain centers in the East like Patrick Ewing and Shaquille O'Neil on a regular basis, and of course they it goes without saying they did the same to guards and forwards like Malone, Stockton, Payton, Kemp, Reggie Miller, Drexler, Hardaway (both), Barkley, KJ, etc, etc, etc...
True, but like Hewson has mentioned, Kareem, James Worthy, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish are a cut above Patrick Ewing and the early Shaquille O'Neal.
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And Kevin McHale was a great player.

One time, I went on one of those 'behind the scenes' things @ the old Garden, and I got to go in the locker room.

Larry's locker was a MESS , and I wanted to steal at least one of his socks-or Kevin's.

Sorry, strayed off topic there.

And at least Larry knew the meaning of the word retirement
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alright, first of all let me just say that no one likes to chase around guards who run all over the court!!! and Patrick Ewing was a better center than Robert Parish... McHale and Worthy would have had to match up against Rodman -- who may be the greatest rebounder/defender at his position in NBA history... Pippen would have guarded Magic or Bird (and done at the very least a respectable job, as he did with every great offensive player he faced during those years); and you actually think someone like Danny Ainge, DJ Johnson, Byron Scott or Michael Cooper would have had any success matching up against Jordan??? first of all, nobody on these teams could defend Jordan (there were really only two guys that ever had any success against him: Joe Dumars in the early years, and "the glove" Gary Payton, and even he didnt defend Jordan very well); and don't forget Ron Harper was a premier defender, and extremely versatile

Toni Kukoc was a great sixth-man back then, when he had Jordan and Phil Jackson keeping him motivated and focused; of course it's unfortunate for Toni he wasn't in the league a decade earlier, when his lack of defense wouldn't have been as much an issue, he probably would have been an all-star in the 80s

the Bulls team of the early 90s wouldn't have beaten those Celtic and Laker teams, but the team of the late 90s with Jordan/Pippen/Rodman/Harper/Kukoc was the greatest team ever

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McHale and Worthy would have had to match up against Rodman -- who may be the greatest rebounder/defender at his position in NBA history...

Check some tape of how the worm fared against Herman Munster McHale in his Piston days...Rodman usually had more fouls than minutes played.
Charles Barkley has said that McHale was the best player he ever had to defend.
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