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Old 10-22-2005, 03:34 PM   #16
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Are the Farris Brothers, Gary and Kirk fake? Are they not members of INXS? Don't they have the right to continue THEIR band?

OH.

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GAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWD.

i'm sure my post was THAT serious.
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Have you heard the new album? NO! Yet its interesting how you can claim they are not producing better music. Even if the album is the best INXS album of all time, its obvious some people here will not give them one cent.
Granted I haven't heard it, but what I have heard I haven't liked. Really with these guys I am applying a guilty until proven innocent philosophy. The last album that I would classify good/great was Kick, before that they were solid too. There are the occasional good songs afterwards. But IMO, going on their track record, as well as my percieved motivations for making this music and the fact they think Pretty Vegas is a worthy single (or song even) shows that their finger couldn't be further away from the pulse.

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Its interesting to see how much people hate the remaining members of INXS for continueing THEIR band as well as their lives.
I don't really hate them. Mind you I didn't ever idolize them at any point - only one with the Australian music scene in the 1980's->early 90's. But I certinally wouldn't turn down the oppourtunity to have a drink & chat with Andrew... he seems like a pretty knowledgable guy.

Again, it's not what they did, it's how they did it & it is a point so obvious it doesn't need any further elaboration.
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INXS Rock Star rating wise did very poorly although it was about rock music instead of pop.
Calling INXS rock as distinct from pop isn't exactly accurate.
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The fact they have already soldout an entire Theater Tour in such a short time when they could not even sell half the number of tickets in 1997 with Hutchence shows that is obviously not the case.
I will make a call on wether this has increased their overall popularity for the next tour.

What INXS sees at the moment is the fruits of the on of the biggest promotion exercises in the history of rock/pop music. Anyone in business will tell you that if you ran a promotion of that magnitude for the period of time they did that it would reap these results. But the question is, will those who attend these concerts and buy the album be "converted" for lack of a better term and continue to buy albums and attend live shows? That is how you tell true popularity.

Everyone in business knows that the single worst time to judge a brand or products overall popularity is in the middle of a huge promotion.
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I will make a call on wether this has increased their overall popularity for the next tour.

What INXS sees at the moment is the fruits of the on of the biggest promotion exercises in the history of rock/pop music. Anyone in business will tell you that if you ran a promotion of that magnitude for the period of time they did that it would reap these results. But the question is, will those who attend these concerts and buy the album be "converted" for lack of a better term and continue to buy albums and attend live shows? That is how you tell true popularity.

Everyone in business knows that the single worst time to judge a brand or products overall popularity is in the middle of a huge promotion.
Thats not true at all. Every album that gets put out every week, every song gets released every week, and for every week after is immediately judged on its success in the marketplace regardless of the level of promotion. Just pick up a copy of Billboard Magazine which list and goes over the weeks charts every week.

We already had people on here claiming few if anyone would go to see INXS with the new singer and that they would be stuck doing only casinos and farm shows. Clearly, this past week INXS have proven them wrong.

The Catalog is selling well again as well.
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Calling INXS rock as distinct from pop isn't exactly accurate.
For myself, U2 and others it is.
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Granted I haven't heard it, but what I have heard I haven't liked. Really with these guys I am applying a guilty until proven innocent philosophy. The last album that I would classify good/great was Kick, before that they were solid too. There are the occasional good songs afterwards. But IMO, going on their track record, as well as my percieved motivations for making this music and the fact they think Pretty Vegas is a worthy single (or song even) shows that their finger couldn't be further away from the pulse.



I don't really hate them. Mind you I didn't ever idolize them at any point - only one with the Australian music scene in the 1980's->early 90's. But I certinally wouldn't turn down the oppourtunity to have a drink & chat with Andrew... he seems like a pretty knowledgable guy.

Again, it's not what they did, it's how they did it & it is a point so obvious it doesn't need any further elaboration.
I think how they did it is brilliant and the results so far show that. I think its great that people who never hear of INXS are going out there and buying the old albums and getting ready to see INXS in concert.
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Of course whether or not they sell a lot of records and tickets to shows is entirely immaterial to me. I only care if they make music I like. If they do, then they are wonderful no matter if anyone else in the world likes them. If they don't, it doesn't matter how many others think they are the best thing since sliced bread, to me they suck.

So far I haven't heard anything I like from them.
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Thats not true at all. Every album that gets put out every week, every song gets released every week, and for every week after is immediately judged on its success in the marketplace regardless of the level of promotion. Just pick up a copy of Billboard Magazine which list and goes over the weeks charts every week.

We already had people on here claiming few if anyone would go to see INXS with the new singer and that they would be stuck doing only casinos and farm shows. Clearly, this past week INXS have proven them wrong.

The Catalog is selling well again as well.
Your ability to completely side step my argument is amazing.
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Your ability to completely side step my argument is amazing.
I guess anyone who disagrees with your argument is "side stepping your arguement".
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I guess anyone who disagrees with your argument is "side stepping your arguement".
No.

I'm going to use some fairly basic business principals here okay. I'm going to go all the way back to my year 9 textbook for this one.

There are four factors that will affect the sale of a product, right? All of which apply in the music industry. Those being:

Price (If a full length album is priced at $2 it will more than likely sell shitloads and race to the top of the charts. The opposite if priced at $50. Essentially irellevent to INXS.)

Place (Where the product is sold. Generally constant in the music industry... although there are instances where artists have sold through sole retailers and been shut out by others e.g. Alannis. Irrelevant to this though)

Product (The CD/Concert itself - naturally encompassing the music that is on the CD. This portion of the INXS mix has taken the biggest nosedive in recent times.)

And the one that most applies to INXS...

*baited breath*

Promotion (The advertising that goes out to the peeps spelling out the other three elements and encouraging them to buy the product.)

NOW

My point is that on a purely business level you cannot judge on gross sales alone, and yes while these have increased the obvious reason for this is that they have increased the promotion between their previous album Elegantly Wasted & their new one tentatively titled Dancing On The Grave 100 times over. Therefore knowing that they will not be able to continue this level of promotion with following albums/tours, there are major questions over the band's ability to sustain sales at this level. Infact we know they can't. So the question is... how popular are they when we all know that these sales are only temporary? Not very.

*closes Year 9 Business Studies textbook*

My point on a purely ethical level is, I have no problem with replacing the lead singer. But doing it in a circus style exploitation of Michael's death is brutal. However I don't feel the need to argue this point for two reasons. One, its been made 100 times before and two, everyone is equally entitled to their opinion on that aspect.
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I have to agree with you there on that very last paragraph.
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"Circus style exploitation" - perfect.

STING, I know that you believe that any form of promotion - no matter how low or how tacky - is worthwhile as long as it spikes sales, but with that attitude vs the attitude of many others here, it's non-debatable because they come from such opposite places. There's no middle ground, so there's no debate. We can argue forever that it's just an awful and sad thing to do, to try and squeeze just a few more dollars out of a rapidly declining brand, at the expense of a legacy that was quite highly regarded by many. But you'll just turn around and point to tour sales and album sales and say, no, nothing wrong with it, look at this statistic, it is clearly the right thing to do.

Put it this way, I would have had a lot more time for it if it were the former members of INXS forming a 'new' entity under a new name. I hate music-by-reality-tv with a passion, but I would at least have found that acceptable in a tiny way, understanding that they have a right to earn money, they have a right to steer their career however they wish - but still thought it was the height of tackiness.

But taking the INXS name, it's music and it's history and twisting it so nastily like this? There is nothing 'real' about it. It will run it's course and die, probably very quickly. They've made their last little cash in, probably a very significant one, and I hope it's their last. They've become a complete embarrassment.
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But taking the INXS name, it's music and it's history and twisting it so nastily like this? There is nothing 'real' about it. It will run it's course and die, probably very quickly. They've made their last little cash in, probably a very significant one, and I hope it's their last. They've become a complete embarrassment.
I was one of the handful who went open minded into this thing. They had me offside when they showed funeral footage, then they lost me about 3 minutes into the show when they said "Now we are going to the Mayan Theatre where INXS played their last show in America with Michael Hutchance". Talk about capitalising. They are poor confused souls who have talked them into somthing that in a year they will realise was an awful, awful mistake.

The only question remains... what is more embaressing INXS' new direction or David Hassellhoff & Missy Higgins arm in arm at the supposed apex of Australian music?
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