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Old 06-23-2007, 01:38 PM   #106
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Fair enough. And I do understand the processes behind Lost. And I'm not trying to insist there weren't missteps along the way. It's just the overused "jumping the shark" phrase that pisses me off. "Jumping The Shark" would be if they royally fuck up the narritive come season 3, after what happened in the last episode. But I doubt that will happen. And a lot of the show is unfortunately left up to audience reaction. People bitch about these characters, so they kill them off, people beg for this, bitch about that, so the writers do their best to change events, chronologies, sub-plots, what have you, in order to keep their ratings from plummeting. Also, a lot of character deaths resulted from the actor's getting in trouble with the law and requesting to leave and unfortunately unavoidable stuff like that, which I'm sure you know about. Just saying. I sort of wish we had gotten the chance to see the writers' true, uninterrupted vision of the show. But I'm not complaining. I love the way this show is, and has been going all the way.

And about the Ewoks. They definitely didn't "bring down the Empire". Talk about hyperbole. They helped the ground crew hold off the stormtroopers long enough to disable the shield around the Death Star. The humongous fucking Rebel star fleet is what "brought down the Empire".

I also never had a problem with Luke and Leia being siblings. Just... never did. Nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned.

And what I meant to say earlier about the prequels... My biggest problem with them as an entire trilogy, nomatter how satisfying Sith turned out to be, was that they were always completely unnecessary. I mean, what was there in the story-arc of the prequels that really needed to be told? We definitely didn't need a 3-film examination on how Anikin became Vader. I mean, all the key points we had surmised from the OT anyway. And on top of that, Anakin's story-arc (the main one of the PT) was the most poorly-handled aspect of those films to begin with, even in Sith. We didn't need to get to know Padme either. Who really gave a fuck who Luke's mother was? All we ever needed to know was that she died young after Anakin turned to the Dark Side. Not to mention that her death in Sith flies in the face of the dialog in Jedi anyway.

You could argue the Clone Wars was worth seeing put to film, but they were better done with that awesome animated series anyway. In fact, the only unique storyline the PT introduced was Sidious' rise to power, which I found to be by far the most interesting aspect of the PT. But did we need 2 shitty, and one decent film to do that? I don't think so.
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Old 06-23-2007, 01:55 PM   #107
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Still, the ground battle is arguably the most important battle in the grand scheme of things of the 3 battles, and to me, it's almost completely ineffective. I can argue this 'til I'm red in the face, but it gave me an excuse to see Harrison Ford run. He's probably the least athletic action star ever, it's amazing.

Luke and Leia being brother and sister seems like a cop out to me, since she's the only girl other than 3PO in the trilogy anyway. It seemed way too forced for me.

I've argued the prequel trilogy is basically unnecessary, too, and that the rise of Palpy is also awesome. My ideal prequel would've had everything from Sith, more of the Clone Wars (what if Episode II was essentially all about fighting in the Clone Wars? Badass? Yes.)

I remember having an idea about Episode I the other day of it involving the Mandalorians coming out of nowhere causing trouble in the Republic, enter Naboo without Gungans, and the Jedi, including a 14/15-year-old Anakin and a badass, sort of rogue Obi-Wan (the way he spoke to Yoda in Empire, he made it sound like he was a little rogue and the failure of teaching Anakin shaped him into a wise Jedi? I don't know.) Anakin saves Queen Amidala, enter love story. What makes Naboo so special is that they have a special resource that can be used as the ultimate weapon, the Death Star, which had absolutely no value in the real prequel trilogy.

Maybe my idea sucks, but it's better than Episodes I and II already.
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Sounds good. You'd think that if fucking Mandalorians started another conflict in the prequel era though, we would have at least heard something about it in the OT.
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Maybe that's what started the Clone Wars. The lack of a major military of the Republic spurs the creation of a Clone Army, one of the only things Episode II got right.
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What about the seperatists then? And wouldn't that negate Palpy's big plan?
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We really ought to rename this thread now, buckaroos.


But at least it convinced me to bust out the OT DVDs.
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Well the moment someone else posts a movie list, we're back on track.
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The Separatists defect and help the Mandalorians against the Republic, Palpy uses that to gain approval in the Senate for the use of the Clone Army.

Or Palpy has his apprentice, Maul (later Dooku), spearhead the Mandalorian attacks from Korriban, the Sith homeworld. So the Separatist conflict would be replaced by the Mandalorian conflict.

You want to just start a Star Wars thread?
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I'm working on a list. This is hard!!! Especially just 25. I need a master list of movies so I can pick and choose. And at least two of them were on yesterday!!!
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Some of you have made some pretty good selections

but some of these films are

City of God
not on one list

and Memento only made one list, no 37
I liked Momento, but I preferred that film-maker's latest film, The Prestige.

I've heard great things about City of God. Seemed interesting, but my parents were getting annoyed so I returned it. Next time, I'll watch it on my own.
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And what I meant to say earlier about the prequels... My biggest problem with them as an entire trilogy, nomatter how satisfying Sith turned out to be, was that they were always completely unnecessary. I mean, what was there in the story-arc of the prequels that really needed to be told? We definitely didn't need a 3-film examination on how Anikin became Vader. I mean, all the key points we had surmised from the OT anyway. And on top of that, Anakin's story-arc (the main one of the PT) was the most poorly-handled aspect of those films to begin with, even in Sith. We didn't need to get to know Padme either. Who really gave a fuck who Luke's mother was? All we ever needed to know was that she died young after Anakin turned to the Dark Side. Not to mention that her death in Sith flies in the face of the dialog in Jedi anyway.
Wow....I completely disagree with this. The OT spoke of things as though they were legendary events in the galaxy - 'my father fought in the CLONE wars?!' - or as though they were huge emotional events in the characters lives - as in Obi-Wan always expressing sadness that over Anakin's father and us never really understanding why until the end of Empire - 'NO! I am your father!'.

We are told of these events on a very broad scale, but we are not told what they actually encompassed and and we never given any detail about them. We are never told what actually happened.

ROTJ makes a big deal out of Vader's redemption, but we are never told anything about how the good man known as Anakin Skywalker became Vader. We are never told much about the emperor, who he really is.

There was so much potential story to tell, I can't believe you would say the OT told us everything we needed to know.

I do agree that the PT has some major problems - and you are absolutely right with the events at the end of Sith flying in the face of some of Jedi's dialog(Leah's real mother and all), I know there are a handful of discrepancies between the PT and the OT, and I know Jar-Jar was VERY annoying, and I know that worse than any of that is the awful 'romantic' dialog between Anakin and Padme. There are some pretty big problems with the PT, and it is certainly not of the quality of the OT, but as a whole, it's still solid, and there are some SPECTACULAR parts. I wouldn't trade the Maul/Qui-Gon dual in TPM for the world. I wouldn't trade the the last hour of Sith for the world. I wouldn't trade Ian McDiarmid's performance as the sith lord and future emperor in all three films for the world.

Of course they could've been even significantly better if Lucas would've opened his mind to other peoples' creative input.

But that doesn't make them unnecessary.

On a separate note, I don't understand the hate that Phantom Menace gets. I know, Jar Jar is annoying. But still. Qui-Gon is a great character. The Maul/Qui-Gon dual is spectacular, one of the the best moments of the entire PT. I also thoroughly enjoyed the pod racing scenes. Second best film of the PT.

Sith = Good
Phantom Menace = Good
AOTC = Decent, has its good moments, but is basically a bridge between Phantom Menace and Sith.
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On a separate note, I don't understand the hate that Phantom Menace gets. I know, Jar Jar is annoying. But still. Qui-Gon is a great character. The Maul/Qui-Gon dual is spectacular, one of the the best moments of the entire PT. I also thoroughly enjoyed the pod racing scenes. Second best film of the PT.
You make some good points, but Phantom is too tedious for me. I don't think the movie picks up any steam until the pod race, then loses it until the very end. Qui-Gon was great, but he's a radical Jedi? I would've expected to to be more like Morpheus in the Matrix movies, the similarities are already there. If they're on Tattooine, I want to see more Jabba, too.

Here's the biggest reason why Phantom failed = midichlorians.

I rest my case.

New Star Wars thread for further discussion: http://forum.interference.com/showth...hreadid=177587
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