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Old 06-23-2008, 11:45 PM   #796
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YLB, Casino was a huge letdown for me.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:55 PM   #797
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Casino is techincally pretty fantastic, but I'll agree that it comes off as a bit of a disappointment. Of course, GoodFellas is an extremely hard act to follow, and I can see where some find it a bit too familiar (having multiple narrators and Joe Pesci again doesn't really help matters).

Taken on its own though, it's still a damn fine piece of work, and very illuminating about the way things work (or used to work) in Vegas, and of course the direction is top-of-the-line.

And we should be talking about this in the Review thread.
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:44 AM   #798
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Casino is techincally pretty fantastic, but I'll agree that it comes off as a bit of a disappointment. Of course, GoodFellas is an extremely hard act to follow, and I can see where some find it a bit too familiar (having multiple narrators and Joe Pesci again doesn't really help matters).

Taken on its own though, it's still a damn fine piece of work, and very illuminating about the way things work (or used to work) in Vegas, and of course the direction is top-of-the-line.

And we should be talking about this in the Review thread.
I'll post my review in there tomorrow, but agree with the second paragraph more than the first. It's in that same vein as GoodFellas, but doesn't rely on the familial aspect of it like that film. Also, I thought Pesci's character would be the same as Tommy, but I found him to be more menacing, conniving, and downright douchey-er (new word) than his GoodFellas counterpart. Tommy was insane and a complete fuck-up, but he would never betray his friends or grasp for power like Nicky did. In a way, I found him to be a more compelling and impressive character because it was something different on an already familiar character by the same actor - his performance was my favorite out of the whole movie, actually.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:17 AM   #799
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I agree with you on Pesci, I'm just saying that on paper it seems VERY similar to GoodFellas (they also share Pileggi as screenwriter), and I think that's why many people felt been-there-done-that about it.
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Lancemc, I couldn't help but notice that your avatar and signature feature Roger Moore from his glory days when he portrayed Ian Fleming's 007. I commend you on that, good sir.

The James Bond movie franchise is a subject that is VERY close to my heart.

I grew up on Bond films.

In fact, Bond films were some of the first "violent/racy" movies that my parents ever allowed me to see. My passion for the franchise is strong. I have seen each and every one of the Bond films (including Connery's 1983 return in Never Say Never Again..which isn't legitimately counted as part of the canon) at least 4 times. A lot of them I have seen more than 4 times.

The original Connery trilogy...Dr. No, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger...these were my introduction to cinema as a youth. I was 9 years old when TBS starting airing what they called their "Bond Marathons"...I would stay up all night watching the movies and it seemed like I was being initiated into some sort of club. I felt cool as I watched the Bond films. They were thrilling, they were like nothing I'd ever seen before, and most importantly they were fun.

It was at that same time that I got into the original Star Wars films. Bond and Star Wars were my first two cinematic loves. I obsessed over every detail of their history and their production. I mean I went out and bought trivia books and Bond retrospectives and encyclopedias. For a while there in 5th grade...one of the things I was known as was "The Guy who loved James Bond movies"

Goldfinger is up there in my list of favorite movies of all-time...and if you catch me in a certain mood I might tell you that it is the movie that I derive the greatest joy from.

A lot of the Bond films take a good deal of shit from "critics" and the like. But I can honestly say that I love EVERY single James Bond movie ever made. There is something about each of those movies...all 21 of them...that I really enjoy. I can sit down and watch ANY of them and it will bring back great memories of a young me sitting on the edge of my bed biting my nails wondering what 007 would do next.

Damn. Sorry about the rant. I just wanted to express my appreciation of that film franchise. The Golden Cadillac of film franchises if you ask me.
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And please don't get me started on the James Bond girls. I could talk about them all night. So I'll just give my quick top 3 Bond girls of all-time...

#1...and not even close...by far the hottest Bond girl ever is Claudine Auger as Domino in Thunderball

#2 - Ursulla Andress as Honey Ryder in Dr. No

# 3 - Barbara Bach as Major Anya Amasova in The Spy Who Loved Me
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My fav is #3, but I'm glad you at least mentioned her.

And I admire your ability to gain pleasure from watching the Brosnan films, esp. the last two. Personally I'd rather be keelhauled.
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Good deal GAF. I anticipate the discussions we'll all have in November for Bond 22.

Maybe now's a good time to voice the perhaps unpopular opinion that The World is Not Enough is not only my favorite Brosnan film, but falls comfortably in the lower half of my top 10 Bond films. In my opinion it's the closest Brosnan's era came to rivaling the classics from the prior eras.

As for Bond girls:

1. Tracy Di Vincenzo
2. Vesper Lynd
3. Tatiana Romanova

High honorable mentions go to Anya Amasova and Elektra King.
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GAF, both Lance and I actually did Bond-a-thons these past few months.

I think we were both surprised at how damned good On Her Majesty's Secret Service was. My unpopular stance was on The Living Daylights, which I enjoyed more than any of the Brosnan films.
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My fav is #3, but I'm glad you at least mentioned her.

And I admire your ability to gain pleasure from watching the Brosnan films, esp. the last two. Personally I'd rather be keelhauled.
Haha well I was at the peak of my Bond-fandom when Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, and The World is Not Enough came out. Goldeneye was the first Bond movie I saw in the theater and that, coupled with the fucking amazing N64 game, make it a classic in my eyes.

Brosnan's last effort, Die Another Day, is the weakest of the entire franchise and they obviously needed a reboot. i was surprised by how much I loved Casino Royale. Great movie.

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GAF, both Lance and I actually did Bond-a-thons these past few months.

I think we were both surprised at how damned good On Her Majesty's Secret Service was. My unpopular stance was on The Living Daylights, which I enjoyed more than any of the Brosnan films.
A Bond-a-thon eh? That is awesome.

I love The Living Daylights...I also really enjoy the next one, Licence to Kill. Dalton did a good job...he attempted to bring Bond back to the harder-edged, cigarette smoking badass that Fleming originally realized.

What do you guys rate as you favorite Bond and Bond movie of all?

Connery is easily my favorite and I think that From Russia With Love and Goldfinger are the two best of the whole series.

And if you guys don't agree with that, I will bust out my Walther PPK and put my Licence to Kill to good use....by killing you guys.
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After the Bond-a-thon it became clear to me that while the Connery films on the whole are better than the Moore films, I actually enjoyed Moore more. What can I say, I just did. From Russia With Love will always be my favorite Bond flick, but I just got a bigger kick out of Moore's earlier films. I should add that I loved Casino Royale to death and think Craig is the best actor the series has ever featured.....so a few more solid efforts will see Craig vault into first place.
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We did this recently, but will do it again for you.

I grew up with Moore, and I like his humor better than anyone else's. So he's my favorite.

My Top 5:

1. The Spy Who Loved Me
2. From Russia With Love
3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
4. You Only Live Twice
5. Live and Let Die

I've been trying to get ahold of a used copy of For Your Eyes Only, which could wind up taking the 4 or 5 spot after I watch it again.

Also, Lance putting TWINE in his Top 10: EPIC FAIL. "I thought Christmas only comes once a year"?!?! No. Just...no.
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1. Goldfinger
2. From Russia With Love
3. Thunderball (The underwater sequences are cool but they really do slow down the movie at times. Other than that, the movie is just too much fun)
4. The Spy Who Loved Me
5. For Your Eyes Only
6. Dr. No
7. Goldeneye
8. Casino Royale
9. You Only Live Twice
10. OHMSS

That looks about right. But there a bunch of others that could jump up on the list if I thought harder about it.
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OHMSS was so much more bad-ass than I thought it would be.

I am a big For Your Eyes Only fan. Topol popping up in there cracks me up.

I love Goldfinger, but, did not like Thunderball nearly as much as you did. No Live and Let Die in your Top 10?
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Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun are probably the two that are closest to making that top 10.

Although those might not be the best Bond films...there is something so odd and inventive about those two. I actually haven't watched Live and Let Die in a long time. Last winter I watched a bunch of Bond films but forgot to catch up on that one.

My James Bond movie collection is strictly on VHS except for Casino Royale. I own all the other 20 on VHS, and they are some of my most prized possesions.
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