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Old 06-21-2008, 05:22 PM   #706
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Quick question, what type of lens did De Palma use to keep the two actors at different depths in the same focus in The Untouchables? He did it with Connery and Costner in the church and when De Niro's watching the opera. Is it similar to the effect Welles uses in Citizen Kane inside of the log cabin?
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I've been trying to figure out that effect for a long time. Not sure it's achievable with any one lens. Seems to be a Post trick personally, though I may be wrong. I haven't actually researched it yet.
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Old 06-21-2008, 06:19 PM   #708
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I was thinking it's a Post-Prod trick as well, there's that blur between the two figures that you'd see in a normal Rack Focus, so it could very well be two cameras.

The zoom in the De Niro/Opera scene could indicate otherwise though.
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Deep focus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You kids with your shiny toys always overthink these things.
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So, wait, you guys actually know things about cameras and stuff?

Like technical jargon and what-not?

Wow. Get off your asses and go make a movie.

If I had any fucking clue what a "Post-Prod Rack Focus" was I would have won at least 4 Academy Awards by now.

I'm looking forward to the first LMP/Lance/Monkeyskin feature film.

What will be the title? What is your budget? I can help provide the actresses if, ya know, you guys are struggling to meet any females that want to be in your movie.
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I can help provide the actresses if, ya know, you guys are struggling to meet any females that want to be in your movie.
Ladies, I think its pretty safe to assume that you should NEVER drink anything that GAF gives you.
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Is it wrong to me to have schadenfreude that The Love Guru has bombed? That thing looked like shit on a stick.
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Is it wrong to me to have schadenfreude that The Love Guru has bombed? That thing looked like shit on a stick.
See, I laughed right out loud at the preview. But I laugh at anything with midgets. Sure its not politically correct, but they're like people, but smaller.
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The whole part of the preview with the "guru" as a young kid, but it was just a kid with Mike Meyers' adult head photoshopped on the body? Creepiest shit ever. And woefully unfunny.
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Deep focus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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You silly Brit. That's not what we're talking about.
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The whole part of the preview with the "guru" as a young kid, but it was just a kid with Mike Meyers' adult head photoshopped on the body? Creepiest shit ever. And woefully unfunny.
And ripped off of George Lopez's show, don't forget that
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And ripped off of George Lopez's show, don't forget that
Good catch.

It does look "woefully unfunny". All of it. And I think Mike Myers is the shit.
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You silly Brit. That's not what we're talking about.
Well YLB mentioned the log cabin scene in Citizen Kane and the documentary on my DVD says that scene plus others was achieved by deep focus, as does the Wiki link.

But if I've totally failed here then I'd love to know what you are actually on about.
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Good catch.

It does look "woefully unfunny". All of it. And I think Mike Myers was the shit.
Fixed.
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Well YLB mentioned the log cabin scene in Citizen Kane and the documentary on my DVD says that scene plus others was achieved by deep focus, as does the Wiki link.

But if I've totally failed here then I'd love to know what you are actually on about.
You know, reading the little bastard's original post again on it, he might actually be talking about deep focus, but I still think he's referring to the thing I'm talking about. Could be either thing, since he did mention the "blur between the two figures" or whatever.

I'm talking about a case where a single frame seems to be divided in half, vertically, by an apparent change in focus. For example, in the left half of the frame, a character in the background is in focus, while his foreground is out of focus. Then in the right half of the frame (the same shot mind you, at least it appears as such if it is in fact an editing trick) a character in the foreground appears in sharp focus, while his background (thus the left character's space) in out of focus. It's not a case of deep focus where all layers of the frame are in focus, it's as though two halves of the same shot are both in shallow focus, merely focused in different planes.

It's a particularly jarring effect because where the two halves of the frame meet, there's a strange uncanny vertical line where the focus shifts from one side to the next. There's a particular shot like this in Serpico where I first noticed this being done. Like I said, I assumed this was what YLB was talking about, though I don't remember the shot in question in The Untouchables to confirm it or not, though no, it's certainly not the same thing as Welles' cabin shot.
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