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So ... do you guys still actually talk randomly about movies in here?

Because I'd really like to state that Cameron Diaz is a horrible actress.

I watched Gangs of New York again and my feelings about it remain the same: mostly mixed, but still firm in the belief that Cameron Diaz was horribly miscast.
 
Do you ever watch a movie that you think is just pretty good, but when you think back on it, something particular sticks in your mind and makes you think the movie was better than you really thought it was?

That's Gangs for me. I loved the very ending, with the graves and the changing skyline, and the closing title slams onto the screen and there's a big, grand crescendo of music (even if it wasn't U2, but let's face it - that big swell of music in the film version makes the song seem better than it is).

I kept thinking about how that ending made me feel, and it made me think I had liked the flick more than I really did.
 
Ha! Yeah, I'm weird like that.

I just found something moving about it. Then again, I often fall prey to sentimental stuff like that. Which probably explains why I like a lot of Spielberg's films. :wink:
 
I like Spielberg, but, some of his endings almost ruin his films for me. You're not weird, we just disagree on which portions of Gangs we like best....I thought the grave scene was horrible, you liked it, that's all. I agree with the principle that sometimes a film can end so well that I'll forgive earlier issues...but the reverse can happen as well.
 
I think the ending is a little hamfisted, but I agree with Cori in that I LOVE the way those credits come flying out like a bar of old-fashioned type. It's a perfect homage to the pulp and operatic gestures of Samuel Fuller & Sergio Leone. Also agreed on Hands; that electric guitar gives balls to a song that doesn't really have any on the proper released version. Which reminds me: I really need to rip the one in the film off my DVD.

As for Diaz, I don't think she was phenomenal, but she had a couple really nice scenes. The dance, that scene in the alley where her and Leo fight with the knife--perfect tension there, and near the end where she begs him not to go back and fight Bill. While I don't have a problem with Leo in this film per se, I think he's more guilty of failing to carve out a distinct personality. He's on a revenge mission, is tempted by Bill's charisma, but still goes back to his original intention. He doesn't get the defining monologue that Bill or Jenny does, which is a shame.

And to keep this on topic, do you think if Lance's Mom were around during these times, she'd be one of this hookers who kill their johns and take the money?
 
lazarus said:
I think the ending is a little hamfisted, but I agree with Cori in that I LOVE the way those credits come flying out like a bar of old-fashioned type. It's a perfect homage to the pulp and operatic gestures of Samuel Fuller & Sergio Leone. Also agreed on Hands; that electric guitar gives balls to a song that doesn't really have any on the proper released version. Which reminds me: I really need to rip the one in the film off my DVD.

As for Diaz, I don't think she was phenomenal, but she had a couple really nice scenes. The dance, that scene in the alley where her and Leo fight with the knife--perfect tension there, and near the end where she begs him not to go back and fight Bill. While I don't have a problem with Leo in this film per se, I think he's more guilty of failing to carve out a distinct personality. He's on a revenge mission, is tempted by Bill's charisma, but still goes back to his original intention. He doesn't get the defining monologue that Bill or Jenny does, which is a shame.

And to keep this on topic, do you think if Lance's Mom were around during these times, she'd be one of this hookers who kill their johns and take the money?

I need a copy of that version of Hands as well.

Lance's Mom always struck me as more of a bartering type...but I definitely think she'd kill after mating.
 
Well done. You get one extra day to live.


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Well, I removed the Leo narration with an mp3 trimmer. It just starts when the drums come in, a little abrupt but without the baggage.

Now it's listenable.

I still can't believe they axed Edge's electric guitar part. Totally saves this song. And when Bono does come in, it's more stripped-down then the release version and isn't so overproduced.
 
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You know what, the song doesn't really work this way either. Because you have this bold intro, and that sound only half-returns at the end of the song. That electric guitar needs to return after the second chorus, or the bridge, and STAY as the song fades out, not sputters to a halt.

So yeah, screw it. It's unsalvageable without being able to mix those elements back in.
 
lazarus said:
You know what, the song doesn't really work this way either. Because you have this bold intro, and that sound only half-returns at the end of the song. That electric guitar needs to return after the second chorus, or the bridge, and STAY as the song fades out, not sputters to a halt.

So yeah, screw it. It's unsalvageable without being able to mix those elements back in.

Bond-a-thon moving along nicely.

Had never seen Thunderball, and was watching it, and was thinking to myself "This is a bit like Never say Never Again", then I went and did some reading, and I thought that because Never Say Never Again was a fucking remake of Thunderball, released alongside Octopussy, I believe. How I did not know this escapes me, but, tack it on to the list of things I should know but do not know.

About one hour into You Only Live Twice.

Anyway, From Russia with Love is still my favorite of the group.

A ways to go before rewatching his 2 films, but, am I alone in liking Dalton? Not saying he was the best or whatnot, just did not think he was all that bad. I really liked The Living Daylights, at least I did when I first saw it.
 
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Anyway, From Russia with Love is still my favorite of the group.

A ways to go before rewatching his 2 films, but, am I alone in liking Dalton? Not saying he was the best or whatnot, just did not think he was all that bad. I really liked The Living Daylights, at least I did when I first saw it.

From Russia With Love is my favorite Bond film as well.

I think Dalton was my favorite Bond. He brought a certain darkness to the role. I wish he did more than the two movies.
 
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Bond-a-thon moving along nicely.

Had never seen Thunderball, and was watching it, and was thinking to myself "This is a bit like Never say Never Again", then I went and did some reading, and I thought that because Never Say Never Again was a fucking remake of Thunderball, released alongside Octopussy, I believe. How I did not know this escapes me, but, tack it on to the list of things I should know but do not know.

About one hour into You Only Live Twice.

Anyway, From Russia with Love is still my favorite of the group.

A ways to go before rewatching his 2 films, but, am I alone in liking Dalton? Not saying he was the best or whatnot, just did not think he was all that bad. I really liked The Living Daylights, at least I did when I first saw it.


You're not the only one who can quote someone and then not say anything related!

I just watched a really cool movie last night called The Adventures of Mark Twain, from the mid-80's. It was all claymation, the best I've ever seen, and involved Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn, & Becky hitching a ride with Mark Twain in this crazy airship. While on board, Twain tells them some of his short stories, which have their own segments.

What's neat about it is that it doesn't just have the whimsical Twain material, some of his very bitter and pessimistic stuff is featured, and it definitely doesn't seem like it's directed at younger viewers, despite the kid characters. There's also a pretty moving moment after the telling of Twain's little-read Diaries of Adam of Ever, where he mentions missing his own wife. Twain was unfortunate enough to have her and two of his daughters die before he did, and it shaped much of the anti-religious and mysanthopic themes found in some of his late writings.

Anyway, I think this just came out on DVD last year.
 
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You're not the only one who can quote someone and then not say anything related!

I just watched a really cool movie last night called The Adventures of Mark Twain, from the mid-80's. It was all claymation, the best I've ever seen, and involved Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn, & Becky hitching a ride with Mark Twain in this crazy airship. While on board, Twain tells them some of his short stories, which have their own segments.

What's neat about it is that it doesn't just have the whimsical Twain material, some of his very bitter and pessimistic stuff is featured, and it definitely doesn't seem like it's directed at younger viewers, despite the kid characters. There's also a pretty moving moment after the telling of Twain's little-read Diaries of Adam of Ever, where he mentions missing his own wife. Twain was unfortunate enough to have her and two of his daughters die before he did, and it shaped much of the anti-religious and mysanthopic themes found in some of his late writings.

Anyway, I think this just came out on DVD last year.

I don't know why I did that.

Still curious about your take on Timothy Dalton.
 
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Still curious about your take on Timothy Dalton.


Meh. The movies sucked, that's all I remember. I liked the tougher, darker bond, but he had no sense of humor, which that character really needs. Even Craig has it.

But you're talking to someone who thinks everything from A View To A Kill through Die Another Day is absolute garbage.

Did you watch You Only Live Twice yet? I love that one.
 
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Meh. The movies sucked, that's all I remember. I liked the tougher, darker bond, but he had no sense of humor, which that character really needs. Even Craig has it.

But you're talking to someone who thinks everything from A View To A Kill through Die Another Day is absolute garbage.

A View to A Kill and beyond are mostly garbage to me as well. Except for Living Daylights and Goldeneye.

I agree that Dalton needed a little humor, but there was something about an edgier Bond after Moore had really started to ham it up that pleased me.

I was so fucking relieved when I saw Casino Royale.
 
Yeah, Moore was a ham. Approaching 60 probably didn't help him in those last few films either. But I think he had the best comedic timing of all of them, and the stories themselves are memorable.

It bothers me that so many question his Man Of Action credentials, when he was doing The Saint during Connery's run as Bond!

And I love that Persuaders show he did with Tony Curtis, even if he was more posh in that one.
 
lazarus said:
Yeah, Moore was a ham. Approaching 60 probably didn't help him in those last few films either. But I think he had the best comedic timing of all of them, and the stories themselves are memorable.

It bothers me that so many question his Man Of Action credentials, when he was doing The Saint during Connery's run as Bond!

And I love that Persuaders show he did with Tony Curtis, even if he was more posh in that one.

Have you ever seen The Prisoner? I think this was discussed already. How about the Sandbaggers?

I like a bunch of the Moore films, and am looking forward to re-visiting to them as I progress. Most definitely agreed that his comic timing was the best, but perhaps that eventually worked against him.

I am 95% sure that one of the buildings used in You Only Live Twice in Tokyo is actually a Hotel that I stayed in in 2000.
 
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Have you ever seen The Prisoner? I think this was discussed already. How about the Sandbaggers?

I like a bunch of the Moore films, and am looking forward to re-visiting to them as I progress. Most definitely agreed that his comic timing was the best, but perhaps that eventually worked against him.

I am 95% sure that one of the buildings used in You Only Live Twice in Tokyo is actually a Hotel that I stayed in in 2000.


I love The Prisoner. One of the 3-5 best shows ever. Not familiar with The Sandbaggers, but I've recently been watching The Champions, another late 60's British show.

Don't tell me you took you-know-who all the way to a Tokyo hotel. You gotta go Red Roof Inn or Super 8 style with that kind of woman.
 
lazarus said:



I love The Prisoner. One of the 3-5 best shows ever. Not familiar with The Sandbaggers, but I've recently been watching The Champions, another late 60's British show.

Don't tell me you took you-know-who all the way to a Tokyo hotel. You gotta go Red Roof Inn or Super 8 style with that kind of woman.

You should check the Sandbaggers out.

The Prisoner is insanely great. I have it on DVD and need to revisit it, maybe when Bond-a-thon ends. Keep hearing rumors that there's going to be a film version. Be seeing you.

I certainly did not take she who must not be named to Tokyo with me. She has Motel 6 written all over her. And, her phone # written all over Motel 6, as it turns out.
 
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