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Old 09-19-2007, 05:28 PM   #556
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The Jabba's Palace musical scene was god-awful to begin with. It became even worse in the Special Editions, but the moment they thought a BLUE ELEPHANT was a cool idea for an alien, it was already worthless.

The Jabba scene doesn't add anything, but as he's referenced throughout A New Hope and Empire, it makes sense to have him in there. It's a push, for me.

I can't explain the Vader's ship thing landing either, unless it was to show people that he was not on the Star Destroyer and not still on Cloud City. I knew what was going on when I was a kid, so who knows what morons this is supposed to be for.

I can't believe even the most die-hard traditionalist wouldn't be in favor of putting McDiarmid in Empire. It makes NO sense for the guy to play him in three films BEFORE Empire and one film after Empire and not be the same guy. It looks so much better and uniform now, and I thought the change of dialogue was a nice touch.

I think the Ewoks are crap, so changing the celebration at the end is fine with me. While the new Williams music is a little new agey, it's a much more dignified end to the saga than the fucking Yub Yub song. Also, showing the reaction on different worlds is appropriate considering the scope of the whole thing. As for the replacing of Anakin's ghost with the image of Hayden, it's pretty obvious to me. This is meant to be a 6 film saga now, and if it's about the rise and fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker, it makes more emotional sense to have him at the end instead of some old guy who's barely recognizable as the guy under Vader's mask to begin with. He didn't have any lines as a ghost, so it's not like they robbed the actor of anything; he still has a nicely played death scene with Luke. But if you consider that Anakin lost his soul when he went over to the dark side, it makes sense that in death he is returned back to the way he was when he was still good. I think it's going to mean a lot more to future generations who watch this thing. But hey, why think like that when you can selfishly act like the films were all made for you and your generation only? Part of Lucas' gift is crafting a story and characters that are timeless and universal, which is why in 20 years no one's going to give a shit about The Matrix and its whole leather trenchcoat and sunglasses fashion bullshit.

Last, the things that are most important to me are the Biggs scene (there's still more material that wasn't put back in, damnit!) and the fleshing out of Mos Eisley and Cloud City. I agree with you, Elevated, that there is too much digital clutter in those scenes, like the Jawa swinging from the Bantha, but I can live with that when I get to see something as sprawling as it was originally imagined by Lucas, and described by Obi-Wan. The Falcon's approach to Cloud City is awesome, and makes the location worthy of what's in the prequels, plus making the walls transparent during the later scenes so you could see the city outside really makes it more legitimate.
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I must be the only person on the planet who actually likes these little guys.

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Ewok idea: Not that bad

Ewok execution: Very bad.

At least Jar Jar wasn't made to look cute and cuddly.
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This just needs to be posted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/0...i_n_64864.html

Dumb fucking people. Just. Man...
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You'd think not being a fucking moron would be a pre-requisite for hosting The View. I mean, I know being funny isn't (Whoopi Goldberg), and I know Hasselbeck's a deluded right-winger, but at least those two don't come off like they're oblivious to the world around them.

Forget about the "world is flat" thing, which is admittedly scary, but I can't believe someone in this day and age can't face the facts about evolution. You want to fit it in somehow with your biblical fantasy, fine. But at least acknowledge it's there.

I wonder if this world would be a better place if people took all the time they spent going to church or reading the bible (not to mention watching inane talk shows like The View) and used it to find out a little more about the larger society and civilization they're living in. Through knowledge comes tolerance, understanding, and yes, even enlightenment.

She's also likely unaware of the Force that surrounds all of us and binds us together. Sorry, just had to sneak it in there.
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This just needs to be posted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/0...i_n_64864.html

Dumb fucking people. Just. Man...
We're all gonna fucking die, and go straight to hell, and have to collectively answer for people like this.
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Even better is in the longer version of the video where she talks about evolution. She doesn't "believe in evolution, period." Glorious.

edit: Missed your post somehow, laz. Yeah, she's a dumbass.
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I can't believe even the most die-hard traditionalist wouldn't be in favor of putting McDiarmid in Empire. It makes NO sense for the guy to play him in three films BEFORE Empire and one film after Empire and not be the same guy. It looks so much better and uniform now, and I thought the change of dialogue was a nice touch.
I was just saying that there is a certain charm to the original Emperor. A certain visceral creepiness that McDiarmid doesn't quite capture. But McDiarmid gives the emperor a persona that is equally creepy, but in a distinctly different way...that is you have to think more about the character and what he is saying in order to be creeped out by McDiarmid's Emperor..with the original, you saw him, and you thought, 'shit, that's creepy.' But all in all, the insertion of McDiarmid into ESB doesn't bother me as much as the insertion of the new dialog. The 'No! I am your father!' scene was/is one of the great 'surprises' in cinema, and the newly inserted dialog blows that surprise from our perspective an hour before we're supposed to know. Future generations will be deprived of that shock.

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Also, showing the reaction on different worlds is appropriate considering the scope of the whole thing.
I suppose this is a minor gripe, but in the sequence you're referring to, the people on Tatooine are celebrating. The thing is, Tatooine was never part of the galactic empire. The overthrow of the emperor and his regime shouldn't mean so much to the people of Tatooine. It's not that big a deal, but it's just a little inconsistancy that can cause small amounts of annoyance.
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Ewok idea: Not that bad

Ewok execution: Very bad.

At least Jar Jar wasn't made to look cute and cuddly.
Exactly.

It was that imbalance in the cross-cutting of cutesy comedy on Endor and real emotional / visceral action in space and between Luke, Vader, and Palpy that stands out for me.

And how fast did the Ewoks build those fucking traps?

Ackbar wouldn't have even had time to say they were traps they were built so fast.

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I was just saying that there is a certain charm to the original Emperor. A certain visceral creepiness that McDiarmid doesn't quite capture. But McDiarmid gives the emperor a persona that is equally creepy, but in a distinctly different way...that is you have to think more about the character and what he is saying in order to be creeped out by McDiarmid's Emperor..with the original, you saw him, and you thought, 'shit, that's creepy.' But all in all, the insertion of McDiarmid into ESB doesn't bother me as much as the insertion of the new dialog. The 'No! I am your father!' scene was/is one of the great 'surprises' in cinema, and the newly inserted dialog blows that surprise from our perspective an hour before we're supposed to know. Future generations will be deprived of that shock.



I suppose this is a minor gripe, but in the sequence you're referring to, the people on Tatooine are celebrating. The thing is, Tatooine was never part of the galactic empire. The overthrow of the emperor and his regime shouldn't mean so much to the people of Tatooine. It's not that big a deal, but it's just a little inconsistancy that can cause small amounts of annoyance.
If it's viewed as a 6 film saga, you already know Vader is Luke's father, so the changes do make plenty of sense.

I could've gone without the "WESA FREEEE" on Naboo though... that was fucking terrible.
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If it's viewed as a 6 film saga, you already know Vader is Luke's father, so the changes do make plenty of sense.
Not neccessarily...there are alternate watching orders that some have suggested....for example...

Star Wars
Empire Strikes Back
The Phantom Menace
Attack Of The Clones
Revege Of The Sith
Return Of The Jedi

If you showed it to your kid in this order...they'd start with the OT, get up to the point of the big reveal, then get to see the whole backstory, then the big redemption/finale.

I've read stuff like this lots of times, where people think a different viewing order could maximize the impact of the story.

The point is, it's not inconceivable that the new dialog could ruin the surprise even in the context of the six-film saga.
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Well, in addition to what you're saying about watching the films in numerical order and already being spoiled, The Emperor doesn't really spoil anything. What he actually says is "The son of Skywalker must not be allowed to become a Jedi" or something like that. He doesn't say "your son". We already know that Luke's father was a hero of the Clone Wars, so it's not strange that Palpatine would consider him a threat.

Has anyone heard about some of the suggested viewing order for Star Wars virgins? Some have suggested watching 1, 2, 4, 5, 3, 7 to preserve the Anakin spoiler, but also keep the happy ending.

The one thing you are robbed of by watching any of the prequels first is Yoda's identity. I loved the reveal in Empire when he changed immediately from bumbing troll to wise sage. Great, great work by Frank Oz, as usual.

I know it seems like I use LOTR as a whipping boy when defending Star Wars, but I'm actually a huge fan of Jackson's trilogy. What I would like to suggest, however, is that Frank Oz's work with digital Yoda is as impressive as anything Andy Serkis did for Gollum. And he also didn't have the benefit of motion capture. Of course much of the credit goes to ILM for the ever increasing humanness of Yoda, but Oz sells it with his voice. He didn't really stand out in The Phantom Menace or Clones (aside from kicking some major ass in the fight scene), but got they brought it on Sith. When he escapes the fight with Palpatine and it sitting in the speeder with Bail Organa, the way he brushes his hair back, the look on his face, and the cracking of his voice as he admits his failure is absolutely heartbreaking.
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alright, you beat me to it namkcuR!
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I hear that Ugly-ass Puppet Yoda from Phantom Menace (why not use the Empire puppet, at least that one was badass) is going to be replaced by Digital Yoda.

Off the topic of Star Wars, we need to all drool over this movie:

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Or watch this trailer:

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/theforceunleashed/

I haven't bought a video game system since 1999 but I'm thinking about it now.

Here's the story behind the game, which takes place between Sith and A New Hope:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Force_Unleashed
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I have an XBox and have never been happier about it than I am after watching that trailer. Jesus.
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