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My first one ever. :reject:

Miracle. It's very good, but now I have some hockey questions.

1. So, it's legal then for opponents to slam each other into the plexiglass around the rink?

2. And what about this substituting players at will? The guys just go in and out of the game whenever the coach decides?


Please speak slowly, using simple words. All I know about hockey is that it's played on ice and that has three periods
 
martha said:
My first one ever. :reject:

Miracle. It's very good, but now I have some hockey questions.

1. So, it's legal then for opponents to slam each other into the plexiglass around the rink?

2. And what about this substituting players at will? The guys just go in and out of the game whenever the coach decides?


Please speak slowly, using simple words. All I know about hockey is that it's played on ice and that has three periods


Don't feel bad about not having seen a hockey movie--I can count on one hand how many there are. (And that's not counting the Mighty Ducks sequels)

Anyway, to answer your questions.

1. Yes, it's *perfectly* legal to slam one another into the glass. In fact, it's encouraged! :wink: It's like tackling in football. Certain hits are penalized, though. Elbowing, boarding are 2 that usually are. You can hit each other in open ice, too. You can "play the body", but you're not supposed to hit anyone with your stick.

2. Hockey shifts are really, really short. A player can only go about a minute, maybe two because it's too exhausting. So they change up pretty quickly. Coaches will tell them when they need to go out or come in--you're right, the coach decides who sits and who goes.

There's really no firm line-up as to who is going to be out there at a given time, either. Coaches will throw out different player combinations out to try and get some good plays going, or to simply stop who the opposition has just sent out. In the good old days, there used to be set lines with nicknames, but you don't see that alot anymore.

Hope that helps. :)
 
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It does help!

But now I want more.

When you hit someone and it's "boarding," what does that mean?

So, the officials don't keep track of who is on the ice? I take it they only count the number of players, not the positions?
 
I've only been to a handful of games (usually if the tickets are free!) but my sister is an avid Long Beach Ice Dogs fan...

She knows the game and the players! Martha, BAW's and Doozer61 should go to one of those games....Beers... :drool:
 
martha said:
It does help!

But now I want more.

When you hit someone and it's "boarding," what does that mean?

So, the officials don't keep track of who is on the ice? I take it they only count the number of players, not the positions?
"Boarding" is called at the discretion of the referee if a player is illegally and violently knocked into the boards. An illegal hit can be anything from hitting someone who is away from the puck, to hitting someone after a whistle or icing play, to hitting someone by leaving ones feat to do so, among other things. If these same things happen without contact with the boards, it is usually called "charging".

You're correct: The officials only keep track of the the number of players on the ice, because teams cannot put more than 5 skaters (not including the goalie) onto the ice during even strength play. The officials must make sure the teams don't put too many players on, for if they do, they will be assessed a "too many men" penalty, lasting 2 minutes.

(Even strength play is the "normal" 5 on 5 action we have when there are no penalties called. If a team has a penalty called, they lose a player for 2 minutes (or more), and thus it becomes a 5 on 4 advantage for the opposing team. This is known as a "powerplay" for the opposing team, because they have the advantage, and try to set up a 5 player box in the offensive zone, and use this "powerplay" to score a goal. The defending team has to "penatly kill" for 2 (or more) minutes.)

Feel free to ask any more questions...
 
Is there one specific referee who keeps count of the # players??

Do the substitutes and the players they replace have a certain # of seconds to complete the exchange???

What is a two line pass and what makes it illegal???

And what is Icing...the way I see it, it appears to be like a "delay of game" tactic...is that correct?

I HONESTLY don't watch hockey but I've heard of these violations... :confused:
 
1. Under the current system, there are two refs and two linesmen (way too many officials, in my opinion), but I'm not sure which one of them keeps track of the number of players. I think it's both of the refs' responsibility to do so.

2. The players don't have a time limit to make line changes. However, the players have to be careful not to touch the puck if there's more than 5 players on the ice during the exchange, for this could result in a "too many men" penalty. For example, if Naslund is skating back to the bench, and Linden jumps on the ice before Naslund has reached the bench, then Naslund cannot touch the puck. He must avoid contact with the play on his way back.

3. A two line pass is one of two offside calls in hockey. First, here's a break down of the lines in a hockey rink:

Goal line.....blue line.....red line (centre)....blue line.....goal line.

A two line pass results when the attacking team - who is moving up ice from their own side of the blue and red (centre) line - passes the puck across both these lines to one of their players on the other side of both lines. Basically, the puck cannot cross 2 lines to get to another teammate who is on the opposition's side of centre. If the puck deflects off the opposition before arriving to the teammate on the other side of the red line, then it is not a two line pass. (Gretzky and Lemieux were ace at getting breakaways this way....some called it cherrypicking...some called it the "high" game.)

3. Icing results when the attacking team shoots the puck into the opposition's zone before reaching the red (centre) line. If they do this, the whistle is blown, and they must go back to their own zone for a faceoff. So there is no penalty in the sense of a player going to the penalty box for 2 mintues. The rule is designed to deter teams from simply shooting the puck to the other end of the ice whenever they are under pressure in their own zone. Of course, many teams still do this because of their faceoff specialists. They don't fear losing the draw in their own zone, but it is still a risk - just not as risky as allowing the opposition to maintain pressure in their zone. To answer part of your question, in many ways, it is a delay of game tactic, for it allows players to briefly compose themselves when in danger or under pressure.
 
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martha said:
Wow! That was useful. You Canadians are so articulate.
Aw, shucks. :hug: Just doing my best to help out my American friends in understanding the best game in the world (at least in my opinion).

Do you Southern Californians cheer for the Kings or the Ducks? Which team would you go see?

West Coast teams rule! :wink:
 
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I imagine the LA folks go for the Kings, and the OC folks go for the Ducks, but I see a lot of Ice Dogs bumperstickers around. The Ducks and the Pond are close to me. Didn't the Ducks win something big, or come close to it recently?

But yes, West Coast anything rules!
 
Yeah, the Ducks got to the Stanley Cup finals last spring, but lost to the NJ Devils.

It would be a fun hockey road trip to drive all the way down the Coast (or up the Coast) following the Canucks. Starting in Anaheim, LA, up to San Jose, and back to Vancouver for a home game. That would be quite expensive too!
 
MG - thanks for all the info; I really never knew of those rules but somehow the game seems different...

Martha - I'll hit Doozer61 about getting some Ice Dog tickets for a Sat. or Sunday afternoon!!!

and p.s. I only cheer for who's winning!!! :lol:
 
Michael Griffiths said:
Yeah, the Ducks got to the Stanley Cup finals last spring, but lost to the NJ Devils.

Yeah! That was it. I guess that counts as something big. :reject:



Michael Griffiths said:

It would be a fun hockey road trip to drive all the way down the Coast (or up the Coast) following the Canucks. Starting in Anaheim, LA, up to San Jose, and back to Vancouver for a home game. That would be quite expensive too!


I have a spare bed in here for when you're seeing them play in Anaheim!
 
martha said:


Yeah! That was it. I guess that counts as something big. :reject:






I have a spare bed in here for when you're seeing them play in Anaheim!
Martha - you're very kind! Though if I ever do that, it won't be for a long time. When I'm stinking rich, maybe...but till then I can't afford to become a Canucks groupie! I remember hearing about this guy from Montreal who couldn't even hold a job down because he'd follow the Canadiens all over. He made the news! He lived for the Montreal Canadiens, and it overtook his entire life. I don't know how he afforded it. I think he lived in a VW van, if I remember! When people say hockey is a religion in Montreal, they're not kidding.
 
AvsGirl41 said:
I don't even want to tell anyone how long it has been since I've seen a game. :|

the mullet-wig that should be enroute to colorado on monday saw one, so that almost counts right?

(well, it saw the game from the inside of my coat pocket, so i guess that might not count)...p.s. don't worry about postage, shouldn't be too much, it's not super-heavy or anything.





i also appreciated griifith's explainations. i think i forgot to ask cujo about 2 line passes last time i bugged him to explain stuff unlike martha, i'm too much of a :reject: to ask in public. but i can admit it...that's halfway there...crap...i'm making no sense...time for bed.
 
IWasBored said:


the mullet-wig that should be enroute to colorado on monday saw one, so that almost counts right?

(well, it saw the game from the inside of my coat pocket, so i guess that might not count)...p.s. don't worry about postage, shouldn't be too much, it's not super-heavy or anything.


i also appreciated griifith's explainations. i think i forgot to ask cujo about 2 line passes last time i bugged him to explain stuff unlike martha, i'm too much of a :reject: to ask in public. but i can admit it...that's halfway there...crap...i'm making no sense...time for bed.

Mullet wig!! :hyper: Thanks so much. I owe you....!

It will be the closest I have been to a game in a long time. I should go buy some tickets to see the Pioneers or something...

Hockey rules are tough, no one should ever be embarressed. I only just got the concept of an off-side last year... :wink:
 
OK, one more question - why are the lines painted in front of the goal; who can stand in there and who can't?

Another one; if the goalie leaves his area and plays the puck can he be checked or boarded, whatever you call it, by the other team???
 
Hmm, I'm not sure which lines you mean...

http://nhl.speedera.net/hockeyu/rulebook/images/rink475.gif



There's the goalie crease, which *only* the goalie is allowed to stand in. That's the colored area in front of the goal.

The red line, which goes through the goal, any players can go in and out of there. That's usually where the defensive battles play out. It's also the line that, once the puck crosses it inside the goal, it's a goal.

Goalies are untouchable when inside the crease, it's an instant goaltender interference penalty. If they leave the crease, things get iffy. They're not *supposed* to be touched, but goalies are now roaming more and more of the ice, so there's alot of pressure to change the rule and let them be hit. And I have seen them be checked and no penalty was called...it seems to be an unwritten rule.
 
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The shaded crease area for the goalie can be penetrated by any other player, so long as there is no physical contact made with the goalie, or obstruction that prevents the goalie from moving to make a save. Physical contact or obstruction will, at the descretion of the ref, result in a "goaltender interference" penalty against the player in question.

If a player is in the crease when a goal is scored, the goal will be allowed so long as the player in the crease isn't interfering whatsoever with the goaltender and his ability to make the save.

If a goalie leaves his crease area to play the puck (or for any other reason), he is NOT fair game to be bodychecked. He's basically invincible out there within the confines of the rulebook.
 
Sorry, AvsGirl, I didn't know you had also posted.

Here's a (very long) breakdown of the goaltender interference rules from NHL.com (they also have every other rule as well)...

Rule 78 Protection of Goalkeeper


The revised crease rule is intended to implement a "no harm, no foul, no video review" standard. The rule is based on the premise that an attacking player's position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed - i.e., goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper's ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates more than incidental contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgement of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review.

(a) If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, incidental or otherwise, while the goalkeeper is in his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

(b) If an attacking player initiates any contact, other than incidental contact, with the goalkeeper, while the goalkeeper is outside of his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

(c) In all cases in which an attacking player initiates other than incidental contact with a goalkeeper, whether or not the goalkeeper is inside or outside the goal crease, and whether or not a goal is scored, the offensive player will receive a penalty (minor or major, as the Referee deems appropriate). See also Rule 47 (c) - Charging.

(NOTE 1) In exercising his judgment under subsections (a) and (b) above, the Referee should give more significant consideration to the degree and nature of the contact with the goalkeeper than to the exact location of the goalkeeper at the time of the contact.

(NOTE 2) If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed to be contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

(NOTE 3) A goalkeeper is not "fair game" just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.

(d) If (i) a goalkeeper initiates contact with an offensive player who is in the goal crease; and (ii) such contact (a) is initiated by the goalkeeper in order to establish position in his goal crease; and (b) results in an impairment of the goalkeeper's ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

(e) If, after any contact initiated by a goalkeeper who is attempting to establish position in his goal crease, the attacking player does not immediately vacate his current position in the goal crease (i.e., give ground to the goalkeeper), and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. In all such cases, whether or not a goal is scored, the offensive player will receive a minor penalty for interference.

(NOTE 4) The overriding rationale of subsections (d) and (e) above is that a goalkeeper should have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being hindered by the actions of an attacking player.

(NOTE 5) In attempting to establish position in his goal crease, a goalkeeper who engages in acts which would otherwise warrant a penalty (e.g., cross-checking, slashing, etc.) will be assessed an appropriate penalty.

(f) When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent.

(g) If an attacking player establishes a significant position within the goal crease, so as to obstruct the goalkeeper's vision and impair his ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

(NOTE 6) For this purpose, a player "establishes a significant position within the crease" when, in the Referee's judgment, his body, or a substantial portion thereof, is within the goal crease for more than an instantaneous period of time.

(h) Subject to (i) below, if an attacking player enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper's ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

(i) In a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and offensive player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact with the goalkeeper will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed.

(j) In the event that a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck after making a stop, the goal will be disallowed. If applicable, appropriate penalties will be assessed.

In the event that the puck is under a player in or around the crease area (deliberately or otherwise), a goal cannot be scored by pushing this player together with the puck into the goal. If applicable, the appropriate penalties will be assessed, including a penalty shot if deemed to be covered in the crease deliberately (see rule 55(c) - Falling on Puck).

(k) A goalkeeper who deliberately initiates contact with an attacking player other than to establish position in the crease, or who otherwise acts to create the appearance of other than incidental contact with an attacking player, is subject to the assessment of a minor penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

(l) An attacking player who, in the judgment of the Referee, initiates contact with the goalkeeper, whether inside or outside the crease, in a fashion that would otherwise warrant a penalty, will be assessed an appropriate penalty (minor or major and/or a game misconduct) and will be subject to additional sanctions as appropriate pursuant to Rule 33A - Supplementary Discipline.

(NOTE 7) For purposes of this rule, "contact", whether incidental or otherwise, shall mean any contact that is made between or among a goalkeeper and attacking player(s), whether by means of a stick or any part of the body.

(NOTE 8) The above-stated standards relating to when a goal will be disallowed will be applied in all situations in which the puck enters the net regardless of whether it was directed into the net by the attacking or defensive team.
 
I Think the goalies should be fair game when they leave the crease....within reason. Look at what Marty Turco was doing to the Oilers the last time they played in the playoffs....Dallas used the trap, so the Oilers had to dump it all the time....Turco comes out...Oiler challenges but has to back off becuase it's the goalie. Happened every single time....just hit him!
 
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