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Old 02-07-2004, 11:41 PM   #16
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I don't even want to tell anyone how long it has been since I've seen a game.
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We are on for hockey! I can't wait! Beers on the brother!
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Friday, 2/27 and Sat., 2/28...
Friday night sounds good! I have a family dinner on Saturday evening that I don't want to miss.




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Yeah, the Ducks got to the Stanley Cup finals last spring, but lost to the NJ Devils.
Yeah! That was it. I guess that counts as something big.



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It would be a fun hockey road trip to drive all the way down the Coast (or up the Coast) following the Canucks. Starting in Anaheim, LA, up to San Jose, and back to Vancouver for a home game. That would be quite expensive too!

I have a spare bed in here for when you're seeing them play in Anaheim!
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double post... ignore/delete.
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Yeah! That was it. I guess that counts as something big.






I have a spare bed in here for when you're seeing them play in Anaheim!
Martha - you're very kind! Though if I ever do that, it won't be for a long time. When I'm stinking rich, maybe...but till then I can't afford to become a Canucks groupie! I remember hearing about this guy from Montreal who couldn't even hold a job down because he'd follow the Canadiens all over. He made the news! He lived for the Montreal Canadiens, and it overtook his entire life. I don't know how he afforded it. I think he lived in a VW van, if I remember! When people say hockey is a religion in Montreal, they're not kidding.
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I don't even want to tell anyone how long it has been since I've seen a game.
the mullet-wig that should be enroute to colorado on monday saw one, so that almost counts right?

(well, it saw the game from the inside of my coat pocket, so i guess that might not count)...p.s. don't worry about postage, shouldn't be too much, it's not super-heavy or anything.





i also appreciated griifith's explainations. i think i forgot to ask cujo about 2 line passes last time i bugged him to explain stuff unlike martha, i'm too much of a to ask in public. but i can admit it...that's halfway there...crap...i'm making no sense...time for bed.
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the mullet-wig that should be enroute to colorado on monday saw one, so that almost counts right?

(well, it saw the game from the inside of my coat pocket, so i guess that might not count)...p.s. don't worry about postage, shouldn't be too much, it's not super-heavy or anything.


i also appreciated griifith's explainations. i think i forgot to ask cujo about 2 line passes last time i bugged him to explain stuff unlike martha, i'm too much of a to ask in public. but i can admit it...that's halfway there...crap...i'm making no sense...time for bed.
Mullet wig!! Thanks so much. I owe you....!

It will be the closest I have been to a game in a long time. I should go buy some tickets to see the Pioneers or something...

Hockey rules are tough, no one should ever be embarressed. I only just got the concept of an off-side last year...
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OK, one more question - why are the lines painted in front of the goal; who can stand in there and who can't?

Another one; if the goalie leaves his area and plays the puck can he be checked or boarded, whatever you call it, by the other team???
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Hmm, I'm not sure which lines you mean...

http://nhl.speedera.net/hockeyu/rule...es/rink475.gif



There's the goalie crease, which *only* the goalie is allowed to stand in. That's the colored area in front of the goal.

The red line, which goes through the goal, any players can go in and out of there. That's usually where the defensive battles play out. It's also the line that, once the puck crosses it inside the goal, it's a goal.

Goalies are untouchable when inside the crease, it's an instant goaltender interference penalty. If they leave the crease, things get iffy. They're not *supposed* to be touched, but goalies are now roaming more and more of the ice, so there's alot of pressure to change the rule and let them be hit. And I have seen them be checked and no penalty was called...it seems to be an unwritten rule.
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The shaded crease area for the goalie can be penetrated by any other player, so long as there is no physical contact made with the goalie, or obstruction that prevents the goalie from moving to make a save. Physical contact or obstruction will, at the descretion of the ref, result in a "goaltender interference" penalty against the player in question.

If a player is in the crease when a goal is scored, the goal will be allowed so long as the player in the crease isn't interfering whatsoever with the goaltender and his ability to make the save.

If a goalie leaves his crease area to play the puck (or for any other reason), he is NOT fair game to be bodychecked. He's basically invincible out there within the confines of the rulebook.
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Sorry, AvsGirl, I didn't know you had also posted.

Here's a (very long) breakdown of the goaltender interference rules from NHL.com (they also have every other rule as well)...

Rule 78 Protection of Goalkeeper


The revised crease rule is intended to implement a "no harm, no foul, no video review" standard. The rule is based on the premise that an attacking player's position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed - i.e., goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper's ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates more than incidental contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgement of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review.

(a) If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, incidental or otherwise, while the goalkeeper is in his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

(b) If an attacking player initiates any contact, other than incidental contact, with the goalkeeper, while the goalkeeper is outside of his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

(c) In all cases in which an attacking player initiates other than incidental contact with a goalkeeper, whether or not the goalkeeper is inside or outside the goal crease, and whether or not a goal is scored, the offensive player will receive a penalty (minor or major, as the Referee deems appropriate). See also Rule 47 (c) - Charging.

(NOTE 1) In exercising his judgment under subsections (a) and (b) above, the Referee should give more significant consideration to the degree and nature of the contact with the goalkeeper than to the exact location of the goalkeeper at the time of the contact.

(NOTE 2) If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed to be contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

(NOTE 3) A goalkeeper is not "fair game" just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.

(d) If (i) a goalkeeper initiates contact with an offensive player who is in the goal crease; and (ii) such contact (a) is initiated by the goalkeeper in order to establish position in his goal crease; and (b) results in an impairment of the goalkeeper's ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

(e) If, after any contact initiated by a goalkeeper who is attempting to establish position in his goal crease, the attacking player does not immediately vacate his current position in the goal crease (i.e., give ground to the goalkeeper), and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. In all such cases, whether or not a goal is scored, the offensive player will receive a minor penalty for interference.

(NOTE 4) The overriding rationale of subsections (d) and (e) above is that a goalkeeper should have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being hindered by the actions of an attacking player.

(NOTE 5) In attempting to establish position in his goal crease, a goalkeeper who engages in acts which would otherwise warrant a penalty (e.g., cross-checking, slashing, etc.) will be assessed an appropriate penalty.

(f) When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent.

(g) If an attacking player establishes a significant position within the goal crease, so as to obstruct the goalkeeper's vision and impair his ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

(NOTE 6) For this purpose, a player "establishes a significant position within the crease" when, in the Referee's judgment, his body, or a substantial portion thereof, is within the goal crease for more than an instantaneous period of time.

(h) Subject to (i) below, if an attacking player enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper's ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

(i) In a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and offensive player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact with the goalkeeper will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed.

(j) In the event that a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck after making a stop, the goal will be disallowed. If applicable, appropriate penalties will be assessed.

In the event that the puck is under a player in or around the crease area (deliberately or otherwise), a goal cannot be scored by pushing this player together with the puck into the goal. If applicable, the appropriate penalties will be assessed, including a penalty shot if deemed to be covered in the crease deliberately (see rule 55(c) - Falling on Puck).

(k) A goalkeeper who deliberately initiates contact with an attacking player other than to establish position in the crease, or who otherwise acts to create the appearance of other than incidental contact with an attacking player, is subject to the assessment of a minor penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

(l) An attacking player who, in the judgment of the Referee, initiates contact with the goalkeeper, whether inside or outside the crease, in a fashion that would otherwise warrant a penalty, will be assessed an appropriate penalty (minor or major and/or a game misconduct) and will be subject to additional sanctions as appropriate pursuant to Rule 33A - Supplementary Discipline.

(NOTE 7) For purposes of this rule, "contact", whether incidental or otherwise, shall mean any contact that is made between or among a goalkeeper and attacking player(s), whether by means of a stick or any part of the body.

(NOTE 8) The above-stated standards relating to when a goal will be disallowed will be applied in all situations in which the puck enters the net regardless of whether it was directed into the net by the attacking or defensive team.
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I Think the goalies should be fair game when they leave the crease....within reason. Look at what Marty Turco was doing to the Oilers the last time they played in the playoffs....Dallas used the trap, so the Oilers had to dump it all the time....Turco comes out...Oiler challenges but has to back off becuase it's the goalie. Happened every single time....just hit him!
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With a mug like that, Turco deserves to be hit anyway!
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