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Old 10-15-2003, 12:38 PM   #31
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in lieu of my inability to attach files, I give you this from the Chicago Tribune. I made my favorite quote BOLD:

Pop-foul fan draws hostility —and sympathy
Escorted away for protection


By Chris Malcolm and Melissa Isaacson

Last seen, the fan who tried to catch the ball was wearing a jacket on his head and being led into the underbelly of Wrigley Field for his own protection.

He may forever be referred to as "that fan" or any number of other names after he reached for a pop foul that Cubs left fielder Moises Alou was about to catch for the second out in the eighth inning of Game 6 of the National League Championship Series, with the Cubs leading 3-0 and five outs away from the World Series.

But the ball struck the fan's hand and bounced free, opening the door to an eight-run Marlins rally and an eventual Cubs loss.

Within moments, the fans down the left-field line began booing and chanting, "Get him out." The object of their scorn still sat in his front-row seat, wearing headphones and a Cubs cap, as the Marlins began to pile up runs.

"It cost us the game, pal," shouted one fan. Another fan tossed a beer cup toward the man's seat, but it fell short.

Three security guards ejected one fan after throwing beer. "I hope you're happy," the man screamed. "You cost us a [expletive] World Series."

Another fan yelled, "You could tell we're better than Boston or he'd be dead already."

Within a few minutes, Cubs security closed access to the lower levels of the stands and kept reporters out of the area. Moments later, another fan who said his name was Jim Cuthbert was escorted shouting from the area. Cuthbert said ushers took him out of the park because had gone to confront the fan who had touched the ball and refused to return to his seat.

"I said, 'What the hell is wrong with you?'" said Cuthbert, who added he caught the man's eye and challenged him to come outside. Cuthbert said the man wouldn't answer.

Cuthbert said he wanted to know why he had been kicked out while the fan who touched the ball was allowed to remain.

"The [usher] said, 'Sir, take your seat,' and I said, 'I ain't taking my seat. Why is he still sitting there?' So then they said, 'Get out of here.'"

Pat Looney, 34, was seated nearby and was in a more forgiving mood. "Hey, it looked like it was out of play," Looney said in an interview after the game. "I don't blame the guy. He was looking up at the ball, not down on the field."

Looney said nobody in that part of the stands saw Alou coming, especially the fan in Seat 11, Row 9.

"If I had seen Alou coming, I would have pushed [the other fan] out of the way," Looney said.

Looney, who said he was a Chicago firefighter, said he already received numerous calls on his cell phone from friends and co-workers watching TV. "I said, 'I didn't touch it.'" Looney said.

At the end of the eighth, team security escorted the fan away from the stands. Officials said he had asked to stay at the stadium until it cleared before he made his way home. A man who was with him was taken out of Wrigley and hastily put into a taxi.

"We're not giving away any names," said a Wrigley Field official. "We're protecting our patrons."

Some fans were actually sympathetic. "Ninety-nine percent of these fans would have done the same thing," said one spectator as the insults rained down. "They're all hypocrites."

The incident recalled memories of Jeffrey Maier, a 12-year-old Yankees fan, who reached into the field of play over Baltimore right fielder Tony Tarasco in Game 1 of the 1996 American League Championship Series, to catch a ball hit by the Yankees' Derek Jeter.

The ball was ultimately ruled to be a game-tying home run, and the Yankees went on to win.
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Okay people, this situation had gotten out of control. I just heard on the radio that the media has stake out this guy's house. There are police there to ensure the reporters don't approach the home. Unbelieveable. I'm disgusted at the coverage of this. Last night News Anchors were making statements like "I would kick him" and "He's lucky if he makes it out of here alive" That's just stupid and irresponsible. Get over it. This guy DID NOT LOSE THE GAME FOR THE CUBS!!!!


There were a number of bad pitches and bad plays that allowed the Marlins to win. Anyway, if you are in IL or parts of Iowa, Wis, Michigan, tune in to WSCR AM 670 the Score for great sports radio and great coverage of this situation. Boers and Bernstein are great.
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he should move to montana and live with bill buckner
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Old 10-15-2003, 02:01 PM   #35
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Anyway, if you are in IL or parts of Iowa, Wis, Michigan, tune in to WSCR AM 670 the Score for great sports radio and great coverage of this situation. Boers and Bernstein are great.
I was just listening to the Score at lunch. They are doing a good job with it. I find it hilarious they have a guy out there...but he is reporting on the stupidity of the media (and the whole situation). The Score should be commended on how they are handling it (avoiding mentioning the name of the guy...or the loaction).

This is crazy.
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i think we're all missing who the real person to blame in this entire situation is...



that's right... bernie mac.

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take me out to the ball game, take me out to the crowd. buy me some peanuts and cracker-jacks, i don't care if i never go back. 'cause it's root root root for the CHAMPIONS, if they don't win it's a shame... for it's 1... 2... 3 strikes you're out at the old ball game
-bernie mac, 7th inning stretch last night... a mere half inning before the 8th inning massacre)
indeed it was a shame mr. mac... you done spoketh too soon...
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I seem to remember the Cubbie shortstop dropping a ball, which would have been a surefire out, right after the fan interference incident.
Someone forgot to tell the Marlins that most of America is rooting for the Cubs.
The Cubs lost the game, not the fan. They fell apart after that play. And those Marlins are tough...darn them!
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My good college/chicago/U2 friend works for Hewitt. I just called her. Also, I woder if Screaming Flower knows this guy...they probably graduated from ND around the same time.


Man in stands described as diehard fan
Chicago Sun-Times - October 15, 2003

The man some fans blame for Tuesday night's Cubs loss because he reached out and touched a foul ball that Moises Alou was trying to catch is a diehard Cubs fan who coaches youth baseball in the north suburbs.

Steve Bartman, 26, works at Hewitt Associates, an international consulting firm in Lincolnshire.

"He is an associate at Hewitt, and he is not coming to work today because of the incident," Suzanne Zagata-Meraz, a spokeswoman for Hewitt, said this morning. "That was a decision that Steve and [Human Resources] made together. We have been in contact with Steve."

A man who answered the door at the Northbrook home where friends and a neighbor said Bartman grew up defended him, saying he only did what came naturally when a foul ball came his way.

"He's a huge Cubs fan," said the man, who responded to "Mr. Bartman." "I'm sure I taught him well. I taught him to catch foul balls when they come near him."

He declined to say any more and would not confirm what relation he is to Steve Bartman.

A neighbor, Ron Cohen, said he has known the Bartman family for 20 years. He and others said Bartman was a graduate of the University of Notre Dame who played for and is now a coach for the Renegades, an elite youth baseball club in Niles.

Cohen said he saw Bartman on Sunday and that Bartman told him then that he had tickets to Tuesday's game.

"He felt great he got tickets to the game," said Cohen, 63.

Cohen was watching the game on TV with his son, who grew up with "Stevie," when they recognized the man in the Renegades shirt.

"I really was just surprised," said Cohen, who called Bartman's mother. "I think it's just a natural tendency. Everybody reaches. I'm not trying to defend him, but I think it's just a natural tendency. He may not have seen Alou coming."

He described Bartman as a baseball fanatic.

"He's a good kid, a wonderful son, never in any trouble," Cohen told a Sun-Times reporter. "I don't think he should be blamed at all. People reach for balls. This just happened to be a little more critical. If Florida didn't score all the runs, you wouldn't be standing here."

A parent whose son played baseball for the Renegades last year echoed Cohen's description of Bartman.

"He was a fine guy. He was a good baseball coach to my son," said Roger Shimanovsky, 41. "Believe me, I'm sure nobody feels worse about this than him."

Bartman is listed as a coach of the Renegades' 13-year-old team this year, according to the organization's Web site.

He also was a player on a 1992 Renegades team that finished with 47 wins and 10 losses. The team was the Palatine League champion and the Pekin Fourth of July tournament champion.

The home where Bartman grew up backs up to a baseball field where his dad would hit pop-ups for him and his friends to catch, said Ron Cohen's son, Gary Cohen, 34. He said Bartman's favorite player growing up was Cubs second baseman Ryne Sandberg.
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I was watching the game, but missed the incident. (That's what I get for attempting to do dishes while watching the game...stupid play-offs...I don't get anything done around the house. ) From what I have seen, it really doesn't look like the ball would have been catchable. He should have let it go, but I think the way he is being treated is dummer than what he did.
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the ball was definitely coming down right into Alou's glove

for people who say anyone would go after the ball, thats not true. ive been lucky to have friends in high places and get first row tickets quite a few times. you are supposed to know the game situation, if the other team is trying to catch it, then you get in the way, if your team is trying to make the out, you get out of the way. its common sense.

and to the people who say the cubs lost it not him, well if he would have caught that, there would have been 2 outs, and then the shortstop wouldnt have tried to hurry to make a double play and could have just made the easy out at first to end the inning.

of course the cubs could have played better after the incident to win, but its the playoffs and every out is critical, if a team gets an extra one they usually take advantage of it

so maybe it isnt completely the guys fault, but if he had any common sense then the Cubs would be in the World Series right now, no doubt about it
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Okay people, this situation had gotten out of control. I just heard on the radio that the media has stake out this guy's house. There are police there to ensure the reporters don't approach the home. Unbelieveable. I'm disgusted at the coverage of this. Last night News Anchors were making statements like "I would kick him" and "He's lucky if he makes it out of here alive" That's just stupid and irresponsible. Get over it. This guy DID NOT LOSE THE GAME FOR THE CUBS!!!!
agreed. i keep thinking to myself "it's just a game!" i mean i know it's baseball, and the world series, but geez. i think there's a lot more things in the world to worry about than that. besides, in the playback video of the moment when he tried to catch the ball, he wasn't the only one reaching for it
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Please. It is almost as if we are beating ourselves to protect or defend this guy. He did something stupid. He interfered with the play of the game. It happened to be a really important game for some.

Its not like he will be punished for the act. But I understand why people are upset with this guy.
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Yeah, he did something stupid. Maybe we should just take him out back and shoot him.
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like nbcrusader said, he shouldnt be punished for what he did

but you cant blame people for being pissed off

sports fans are passionate people, and for most cubs fans this would have been the first trip to the World Series in their lifetime

he possibly cost them a once in a lifetime occurance

i know i would be damned pissed, but since I am a Cards fan I am loving it and he is my hero
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The Illinois Governor said if they ever caught Bartman for a crime, he'd never pardon him


but it not all bad for Bartman, Jeb Bush is offering an asylum in Florida.

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MIAMI -- If he's interested, the 26-year-old Chicago fan who deflected a foul ball away from a Cubs outfielder in Game 6 of the NL Championship Series can find solace in Florida.


Gov. Jeb Bush said Wednesday an offer of asylum might be a good idea, and an oceanfront retreat in Pompano Beach is offering the man a free three-month stay, should he deem it necessary to get out of Chicago until the hubbub over the popup cools down.


The fan would also receive free airfare and other perks, all provided by the Holiday Inn Oceanside Pompano Beach.


"People are compassionate in South Florida and people are talking about the unfortunate circumstances he must be facing today," said Chuck Malkus, a spokesman for the property.


Also included in the offer are free steak dinners, free martinis, even a free water taxi ride.


"(It's) the least we could do for the fan that saved our season," said Phil Goldfarb, president of the Holiday Inn Pompano Beach. "As dedicated Marlins fans, it is our honor to return the favor."


The Cubs were five outs away from clinching the series and earning a spot in the World Series when the botched play took place Tuesday night. Replays showed the man looking up at the ball hit by Florida's Luis Castillo; it was unclear the fan was ever aware Cubs left fielder Moises Alou was in the area.


Game 7 of the series is Wednesday night at Wrigley Field.


Marlins fans who were lined up Wednesday with hopes of buying World Series tickets also expressed compassion for the man, with many saying it wasn't his play that was the most damaging to the Cubs in Florida's eight-run eighth inning.


Instead, Florida fans were saying that Cubs shortstop Alex Gonzalez's error, which occurred two batters after the fan knocked Castillo's foul pop away from Alou, was the biggest gift the Marlins received during the rally.


But it was the foul ball which created a national buzz on radio talk shows.


"You can't help but feel bad for the guy," said Marlins fan Dennis Sikes of Miami Beach, one of about 100 people waiting in a ticket line outside a team souvenir store Wednesday. "Chicago doesn't seem to be a real forgiving sort of place, you know."


The man had to be escorted out of Wrigley Field by security guards in the bottom of the eighth inning after he was threatened and pelted with debris.


Bush was asked Wednesday if he planned to offer the distraught fan asylum in Florida.


"If I had that power within me it might be, for his own safety, it might be good to bring him down," Bush said.


Bush seemed sympathetic to the man's unfortunate plight.


"Sports is so much fun because it isn't planned, it isn't programmed," Bush said. "Stuff happens. And in that sense, it's kind of a mirror of life. So all I can tell you is it's been an incredibly interesting series."
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