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Old 04-17-2002, 11:58 PM   #16
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just ask are resident Maple Leafs fan
it's true
i unfortunately had to entertain an ottawa girl tonight who had been dumped by her boyfriend so got stuck watching those two teams plod around the ice. based on that game they should both be eliminated in the first round.
i like vancouver's resilience. for a lot of those guys it was their first playoff experience and it was in detroit, so called 'hockey town', and they came back from 3 deficits to win, in overtime at that!
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I have trouble calling Detroit "Hockeytown" when I see empty seats during a playoff game, while I can't get tickets to a Canucks game. Bah!

I thought the Wings/Canucks game was pretty sloppy last night. Canucks were horrible on the power play and weren't passing very well, and Detroit at times looked a bit confused in their own end. Cloutier outplayed Hasek and that'll need to continue to happen if Vancouver are going to beat the Wings. But full marks to the Canucks for pulling off the win in Detroit. Now, let's make it 2-0 on Friday ...
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Woohoo!! Well, after last night, I think my beloved Canadiens may have a fair shot!!!!

5-2 but almost was 6-2!!!!!!!!!! Yeah!!!

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another great game for the canucks tonight. defensively controlled the wings forwards, shanahan and the like had a very limited number of hits, and hasek had an at best shaky game. though hasek is not the only problem, i think bowman would be warranted in starting legace in game 3. evidently 'playoff' atmosphere has done very little in raising the ire of the wings players, save stevey yzerman who had a characteristically courageous performance. perhaps switching the goalie up for a period for a bit is the answer. we'll have to see if bowman has the balls.
<--cannot believe he was stupid enough to publicly appear to be suggesting coaching strategy to scotty bowman.

carolina played a great game tonight against the devils. irbe looked excellent in the net turing aside all but 1 of jersey's limited shots. brindamour and francis look great and should continue giving the devils trouble in east rutherford.
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kobayashi, I find it baffling how everyone keeps saying that Irbe has stolen the first two games of this series, game 2 was basically the same as game 1 -- limited scoring chances for both teams

Kevin Costantine has the Devils reverting to grind it out, ultra-conservative hockey and it didnt work after 95, and playing a more open style and relying on the skill of your players got the Devils to the Finals the last two years, this is ugly and headed no where

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kobayashi, I find it baffling how everyone keeps saying that Irbe has stolen the first two games of this series
did i say that? i didn't think i said it but maybe.
irbe is playing well but keep in mind what was expected of irbe versus brodeur going in. relative to those early expectations irbe is playing incredible to brodeur's mediocrity. i didn't see the OT goal tonight(thanks to sportsnet losing their feed about 5 minutes into OT ) but thought brodeur missed at least one goal on wednesday night, i can't remember now but did he not get beat 5 hole once.
the canes are truly an ensemble cast: irbe, francis, brindamour, battaglia, kapanen and upstart cole. i'm sure i'm forgetting some there
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The Canucks are not surprising me anymore. Living in Vancouver, we've known how good they've been since Christmas (having the best record since then), and this is their 10th straight win, while being unbeaten in 11 (including the end of regular season play). They are plainly the best team in the league, and now the secret's out.

The line of Naslusd, Burtuzzi and Morrison is the best in the NHL, and Naslund's goal tonight was scored on another typically amazing shot. Looked like Lemieux there for a second. He just kind of hangs onto the puck during the follow-through, and releases a bullet with precise aim -- in tonight's case, right into the top corner.

By the way, Wanderer, thanks for giving us Morrison! He's an amazing player. Nice guy, too.

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well thanks for giving us Mogilny, he did help us win a Cup

koby, I just meant in general people who arent really watching the series seem to be looking just at the shot totals and are being mislead. Brodeur gave up a 5-hole goal on the 2nd Carolina goal in Game 1, he also made 2 breakaway saves and a 2-on-1 save in the 3rd keeping the Devils in it; tonight the 1st goal was a re-direction of a bouncing puck and the shot looked like it fluttered as Cole clearly didnt get a clear shot off, it was a bit lucky, not a bad goal at all, and the OT goal came after a lazy clearing pass was knocked down at the point and sent to Battaglia who was all alone in front for a quick re-direction of the shot, it clanged in off the top right corner cross-bar, a perfect one-time re-direction, again, not a bad goal at all (and Brodeur made some big saves including two of note against Cole when the game was tied at 1)

I know what you're saying about people expecting the Devils to win easily, and it irritates me because Brodeur gives up 4 goals in 7 periods, and people start to say it's his fault the Devils aren't winning... nonsense, they aren't generating any offense, this is a team that never replaced Mogilny and are playing without their 2nd line center (Gomez) and Sykora played sparingly because of a foot injury (he couldnt even skate two days ago)

but I'm curious as to what you thought of the Rafalski goal that was waved off in the 3rd period

*Vancouver will have a great shot to win the Cup if Cloutier can continue to play this well, though it's doesn't really seem like a case of Cloutier dominating, Hasek just isn't getting the job done and Vancouver has scored some crazy goals; no argument about Naslund, Burtuzzi, Morrison, right now they are the best, but Sakic's line might have something to say about that later in the playoffs, I don't care who Sakic is playing with, he's as clutch a player as there is in hockey today

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great canucks game, but they havent won anything yet.

however, id hate to be in the position the wings find themselves in...going to rowdy vancouver 0-2.

if there is anything more inspiring in hockey than watching yzerman, i dont know what it is. it looked like he couldnt even do cross-overs.

that man is a pure class act. ive never had as much respect for him as i have this year.

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well thanks for giving us Mogilny, he did help us win a Cup
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but I'm curious as to what you thought of the Rafalski goal that was waved off in the 3rd period
thanks for giving us mogilny, he's gonna try to help us win a cup (i hope.)
as for the rafalski goal I think it was a good call. irbe was knocked off his feet for a moment and that was just long enough for the shot to get through. whoever was passing by was not pushed or forced in they just clipped the goalie. had it not been called there might have been some groaning but i think we've all seen much worse non-calls.
my problem is it doesn't come off looking like a very good call for 2 reasons:
1. if you're gonna disallow the goal, there must also be cause for a goaltender interference penalty. if there had been no coincedental goal, would they have called a penalty? if not then they shouldn't be disallowing the goal.

2. the rule is applied with no consistency whatsoever as with many other things in the nhl.
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not only was there no penalty, but the goalie was several feet out of the blue crease, he left the crease as he often does to move up and be aggressive, challenging the shooter, and he was bumped, he wasn't run or knocked over... but as you said, there is absolutely no consistency to this rule (btw, Ray Bourque and Pat Verbeek are doing post-game coverage on ESPN here in the US, and they both said they thought it was a bad call)
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not only was there no penalty, but the goalie was several feet out of the blue crease, he left the crease as he often does to move up and be aggressive, challenging the shooter, and he was bumped, he wasn't run or knocked over... but as you said, there is absolutely no consistency to this rule (btw, Ray Bourque and Pat Verbeek are doing post-game coverage on ESPN here in the US, and they both said they thought it was a bad call)
you think he was right out? to me it looked like he was on the edge. i could see it being considered a bad call as easily as carolina fans(that sounds weird) would have complained.
ray bourque is doing espn? my center ice didn't have the game cause we got it locally on cable but i would have liked to hear that. can't wait for tommorow aft. i've already ordered the blue...so even if the leafs can't pull it off, i won't notice till sunday
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As for Yzerman, he's the most DYNAMIC player in the NHL. I don't know if it makes Detroit look really bad or Yzerman really good, but either way, when your best player is only at 60 percent, and not only is he in on both Detroit goals, but he's also your most physical presence, that's saying something. He was simply outstanding, playing with one knee to boot. Don't tell anyone this, but I actually felt sorry for him last night. The rest of his teammates should give themselves a long hard look in the mirror. They should be ashamed of themselves. That said, I hope the Canucks win. It's just that Yzerman was such a key in the gold medal game for us, and he's such a great sportsman. He might be my second favourite player of all time.

Did you see that behind the back pass right on the tape for his first point? Unbelievable player...dynamic is the word.

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i smell a yzerman appreciation thread in lemonade stand shortly. i cant stress how awesome that guy is. and that said, i want the canucks to win.

looks like the devils are about to win... i seriously think theyre gonna win this series in six.

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4-0 and a couple of posts, a goal waved off that was probably a goal... could have seriously been 7/8 - 0 today
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