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Old 09-14-2007, 08:04 PM   #1
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I have officially put the fear of (insert deity here) into my students

Okay, so I was getting really pissed off at my students in Research Writing for not doing their online assigments. So, I decided to give them a pop quiz on their reading for today, Gregory Maguire's Wicked. It's not the best book ever, but it spells out the ideas very deliberately and is conducive to good class discussion. And they only had 63 pages to read.

So. I give them a 10 question pop quiz. I'm already missing 7 people today, an obnoxious trend in its own right. So of the 18 people in class today, only 2 got 100 percent. 5 others got less than 6 questions. And a full 11 people left their quizzes completely blank. I told them that I wasn't going to count this today, but I needed them to be aware that they really are expected to read and participate.

I also just reviewed a stack of thesis statements from them, and for sophomores, their skills are surprisingly underdeveloped. I'm going to have to require a few of them to attend the Learning Resource Center. It's discouraging.

My freshman, on the other hand, are delightful and have participated in every discussion.

Sorry, I'm only in my second week of teaching, and I just need to vent with people.
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Old 09-14-2007, 10:21 PM   #2
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Are the online assignments worth anything in terms of their final grade?
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Only participation points. They're just grammar diagnostics, from which I'll give them assignments to improve target areas rather than devoting too much time to grammar in class. I'd rather work on organization, research, citation, etc. Otherwise, they won't be prepared for anything in upper level classes.
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I'm glad I don't have any profs like you.

That's not intended to be an insult. My profs are way too easy.
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But are the participation points worth anything? Like 10% of the final grade, etc?
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the participation points come to like 20 percent
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They still won't care. You're part of 'the man' now. Its a slippery slope to hell.
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I think it's unusual, even for lazy undergrads, to write off a fifth of their grade. I thought if it didn't count, then it's no wonder they're not doing any of it.
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I'm fully aware. I think part of the problem is that most of them are business majors who literally wrote on their little index cards that they hate english classes.
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I think it's unusual, even for lazy undergrads, to write off a fifth of their grade. I thought if it didn't count, then it's no wonder they're not doing any of it.

I have a much more developed cynicism than you do ...


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I'm fully aware. I think part of the problem is that most of them are business majors who literally wrote on their little index cards that they hate english classes.

Business majors, unless they are getting a degree in a specialized field (i.e. accounting or marketing), should quit school and get a job.

In my mind business majors are a churched up version a rec majors.
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FAIL THEIR ASSES!!!
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I don't want to be vindictive, but I'm not afraid to give out F's as needed. We're definitely discouraged from giving As, though.
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If we weren't prepared to put any effort into our work at university, nobody was going to take any interest or try encouraging you to study.
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I'm not a prof obviously but for 2.5 hears I TAed and I was a Nazi bitch about it too. I took great pleasure in making students writhe knowing that they just blew their GPA with a stupid class that's supposed to be an easy A. All of my students were freshmen b/c it was a course required for ALL students of the college, always taken as a freshman unless you were a transfer. The course was basically supposed to help them transition from HS to our college. They learned how to use all of our online systems, like how to use the library system, how to access the research databases, how to submit work online via their courses in the Blackboard system, and more comp. type stuff like MLA citations, what types of sources are appropriate for college level work, again stressing the research databases, etc. I could not believe some of the CRAP coming from those students!!! And they are all paying over 25K per year to attend this school. I would say maybe 1/3 of the freshmen coming in really understood and could write acceptable thesis statements. Half my students never bothered to turn anything in most of the time. Then they'd go whine to the prof for an extension, but luckily the prof was lazy as hell and I did everything but give the lecture so I got the final say in grades and how I determined them.

It actually explained a lot about our 99% acceptance rate. The school except everyone, but tons of kids drop out after first semester b/c academically the school is in the top group in its class. Why would you knowingly pay that much for a good school and think I'm going to give you a free ride? Ha!
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