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Old 01-16-2008, 06:08 AM   #16
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Until The End of The World, also.

PS Rihanna wins, hands down. There's not a shred of evidence to suggest that she's making pop injected with hip hop to somehow make it more saleable, she's a hip hop/soul artist, produced by a predominantly hip hop producer, who just happens to be extremely popular. If anything I'd accuse her of reworking too many older pop songs (Blue Monday, Tainted love by way of example)

The only conclusion this leads to is that, as we all predicted back in oh, about 1988, hip hop would eventually either be on a level with other popular music forms and actually be a force to reckon with in pop, or, which is probably more accurately the case, would actually dominate the pop category. (and note I don't really care for alot of what is branded 'hip hop' in pop music). I think hip hop 'purists' are most disturbed by this, some with good reason because of the crapola out there, and some for the ridiculously silly notion of 'oh they've stolen our underground music'

I don't think Pop has a 'sound' or a 'definition' per se. It's not really a category, it's more like a spotlight or a lens, and what gets played by pop stations is really just what the light of popularity is being trained on at that moment in time. In a very broad and generalized sense, the people determine what is 'pop'. If in 50 years there was a decided shift in public taste towards classical music, pop would be classical as well. Bono likes to refer to U2 always wanting to make great pop music etc etc but I think it was more accurately that U2 started on the outside of pop and got the attention and focus of pop to swing around to good music ie U2's. Just my opinion tho.

So really, "pop" music can't die, but it will shift and change color and form. To me saying "pop" will die is like saying "world dominating species will die". Barring a complete elimination of life altogether, there will always be a dominant species - it just may not be us. Barring a complete elimination of Music, there will always be "pop" - it just may not be music you (and/or I) like...
I really liked the thoughts you had. I have felt some of the same frustration with people trying to say something is rock. There are too many diverse types of rock that no one is just rock. Even looking back when the genre started those artists are Blues Rock or Oldies Rock or Classic Rock.

On the Rihanna thing I think she can pull it off. Some people can and some can't (i.e. Justin Timberlake). Plus she is sexy in the body paint
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Some people can and some can't (i.e. Justin Timberlake).
lol no
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All I know is Timbaland can do anything. Y/Y?
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YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Timbaland was spotted walking on water yesterday. True fax
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^ That's because of those steroids.
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Some people can and some can't (i.e. Justin Timberlake).
I'd say millions of people (critics and consumers) strongly disagree with you.
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Ella, ella, ella.


And guys, lets be honest: justin timberlake might be a gigantic douchebag, but his music is the schiznit.
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Before I begin, I just want to say that Timbaland is an overrated fruitbag.

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I think hip hop 'purists' are most disturbed by this, some with good reason because of the crapola out there, and some for the ridiculously silly notion of 'oh they've stolen our underground music'
You were going in the right direction in the first half of this sentence.

What pisses us "purists" off (well, me anyways) is that when your average Joe who only hears what's on the radio thinks "hip-hop", they don't think of Big Daddy Kane, or Talib Kweli, or Common. They think of Rihanna, and Lil Wayne, and Yung Joc. We're pissed off because those that get the most attention are the worst representation possible of what is, at its essence, a beautiful art form that can be used to positive ends, not this bullshit about makin' it rain, or cruisin' for bitches, or shiny grillz, or how low your fuckin' CZ chain hangs.

We're pissed that the face that represents hip hop to the world is only concerned with making as much cash as possible by selling out the art form.

If you don't believe me, watch this and listen to the lyrics:
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Timbaland is a douche.
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Er...well I part opinion with you on that one. I have no real issues with him, don't know much about him, really.
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