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Old 06-23-2007, 03:30 PM   #31
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great point Varitek! I would definetly go get the U2 album first and then the book. but yeah, all that excitement in one day......I think that would be the closest we'd ever get to being "kids" again.
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I went to a live PotterCast today
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- I don't think Sirius is out of the picture. While I can accept that he's dead, there's a little loophole in the 5th book that makes it seem like Harry can talk to him again. Harry and Sirius share these mirrors, if I remember correctly, where they can talk to each other. I've always thought that Harry could take Sirius' mirror and chuck it through the veil. It's just a thought.

She didn't touch on the mirrors in HBP, and I don't expect that they're gone forever.

With regard to Sirius & Dumbledore being dead for good..... I do think that Dumbledore is gone, though I'm not certain & wouldn't be terribly surprised if he came back. For some reason, I definitely think we'll hear from Sirius again.

Pla, your post made me think of a passage in HBP & I just looked it up. On pages 591-592 in the US hardcover, Dumbledore is telling Malfoy to give up his plan and join the "good side" while he still can. Malfoy says he can't because Voldemort will kill him, to which Dumbledore replies: "He cannot kill you if you are already dead. Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine."

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Dumbledore sounds an awful lot like Obi-Wan in that last passage.
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Dumbledore sounds an awful lot like Obi-Wan in that last passage.

Dumbledore = Obi-Wan = Gandalf = every other story based on the classic hero tale.

I took a class in college on children's rite of passage literature and it became so clear. Joseph Campbell has a great series on heroes & looks at Star Wars in particular. Star Wars, Harry Potter, LOTR, and billions others, are all stories where an insignificant "boy" from nowhere leaves his home under the tutelage of an old, wise man in order to fulfill a great destiny....their first encounters with the big world is in a bar (Mos Eisley in SW, Green Dragon in LOTR, Leaky Cauldron in HP), they go off and fight and learn new things about themselves in the process. There're a ton of other similarities, but I'm too lazy to write about them all. It's basically due to the fact that there's a blueprint for successful, classic hero stories, and these three fit the pattern perfectly.
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Oh, I definitely agree with what you're saying, it's the standard wizard/mentor archetype, just the lines:

"we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine"

"if you strike me down, i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

are awesome in their similarities.
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wand = "weapon of a more civilized age"
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I've read them all 3 times and starting Sunday or Monday I'm going to start the cycle again to be ready for book 7. Ideally I'd take that week off from work and read them all in 5 days (I did 5 in 5 days a few months before 6 came out) but that ain't gonna happen.
That's the best idea. You're my hero! I'm like corianderstem, can't recall much after too long! I need a week to reread and absorb them all again.
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Easy stuff first:

- Ron & Hermione get together
- Harry & Ginny stay together

Random stuff:

- Curious to see if Harry's still safe at the Dursleys'. It was Dumbledore's spell that extended the blood protection to Harry's mother's family's home. Now that Dumbledore's dead, the spell should be broken...


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- Snape will be good in the end, somehow. I refuse to think that Dumbledore's final words consisted of him begging for his life. I think that Dumbledore had arranged with Snape long ago that at some point, it would be Snape who kills him. That, I believe, is part of why he trusted Snape so much--he knew that his life was in his hands. Could be evidenced by the bit in HBP where Hagrid tells the kids Dumbledore & Snape had a row, with Snape saying, "You assume too much---maybe I don't want to do it anymore." Could fit with not wanting to stay with the Order, or could fit with him not wanting to do what Dumbledore had set him to do---kill him. All the hatred with which Snape kills him kinda speaks against this..but maybe Snape hated that he had to do it and that's what came out. Who knows.

- Voldemort will die because he has Harry's blood in him. In Book 4, when Harry's telling Dumbledore the story of how Voldemort used Harry's blood to regain form, Rowling writes that Harry thinks he sees a look of triumph in Dumbledore's face for a split second. Since Harry's blood is imprinted with love, and that love is now coursing through Voldemort's veins, it's love that will somehow bring him down. It's been the theme throughout the whole series.

- I can't decide if Harry will die or not. I don't think he's a Horcrux, but I wouldn't place money against it. I just re-read HBP & there's something Dumbledore says in it that really makes me think that Harry isn't a Horcrux, but I can't remember what it is.


All in all, I expect it's going to be an AWESOME book!
Ron and Hermione were virtually together since the funeral in HBP, I thought. I think Ginny Weasley will be instrumental to bringing LV down. I think the trio as a whole won't survive the series.

I think LV and Harry both die and good/evil cancel each other out to bring balance to the wizard world.

The way I see it the Privet Drive protection works until Harry comes of age, his 17th birthday.

Snape is working for himself and has been fooling both LV and DD for years. It is possible he will somehow redeem himself and help Harry before the end.

Sirius and DD are really dead, but I won't exclude a way of communicating to Harry. (Pensieve? Wizard will ?)

Should be a great book
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"He cannot kill you if you are already dead. Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine."

Great point - maybe Dumbeldore knows some way to make someone appear dead to hide them. But given Snape's reluctance to do the deed, either Snape didn't even know that's what Dumbledore was doing, or Dumbledore didn't do it for himself. I'm definately in the "Dumbledore is dead but not gone from the series" camp. Same with Sirius, but that's been obvious because of the mirrors.


By the way (I'm planning to take this after I do my reread marathon):

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/book7exam

We could have a mini-interference competition and post our scores after it comes out.
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aaaahhhh...you guys are killing me....wonder when Hp gets sold in libraries in Italy....now I am in Cambridge, but I am coming back just the day before the book is released....isnt it unfair!?!?!?!?!?
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omg lil that is so unfair!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok....someone un-confuse me here. How is it I'm missing this whole mirror thing?????? In The Goblet of Fire Sirius was talking to Harry through the fire in the Gryfindor tower common room. Are the mirrors completely left out in the American books??????????

I'm still thinking it has something to do with Neville Longbottom seeing as how he and Harry were the only ones born in July and the prophecy was about a boy born in July---and LV just chose Harry as the one to go after. I'm thinking that prophecy had to be about Neville.


Varitek---great idea about the exam!!! I'm game!
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ok....someone un-confuse me here. How is it I'm missing this whole mirror thing?????? In The Goblet of Fire Sirius was talking to Harry through the fire in the Gryfindor tower common room. Are the mirrors completely left out in the American books??????????


Did you ever read Order of the Phoenix???????????????????
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My predictions:

Harry - will not die in the final battle with Voldemort but I can see JKR write in his (natural) death in the epilogue. I also think that Harry is not the Horcrux and neither is his scar. Harry will end up with Ginny in the end.

Dumbledore - dead but not out of the picture. I think that Harry will get to speak to him at some point, although I'm not sure how.

Regarding the events on the tower in HBP, I think that Dumbledore had some sort of plan to deal with the whole Draco problem, which however went totally pear-shaped because he didn't foresee Draco smuggling a bunch of Death Eaters into the school.

This is just a hunch but I think that Dumbledore's "he can't kill you if you're already dead" may refer to Dumbledore himself not being truly alive when Snape AK'd him. Which could be either because of the potion he'd drunk in the caves, or the fact that the Horcrux injury that left his hand blackened was much, much more serious than he let anyone bar Snape know, and left him living on a borrowed time.

Horcruxes - I think that Voldemort's snake, Nagini, is NOT a Horcrux and that the last Horcrux will turn out to be something entirely different and unexpected. I also wonder whether Luna's mother's death was Horcrux-related somehow.

R.A.B. is Regulus Black, Sirius' long-dead brother. The Slytherin locket which he retrieved from the cave is now with Kreacher, who might have even gone to the cave with Regulus.

Snape - is definitely on the good side and did what he did in the last book on Dumbledore's own request. I think also that Snape had feelings for Harry's mother back in the day, mostly likely involving unrequited, unexpressed love, and that these feelings played a crucial part in his turn to the good when he realised that Voldemort was going after Harry's parents. I think that Snape was the unnamed person briefly mentioned in the third book who warned Dumbledore about danger to Potters. He will most probably die in the end (but not before Harry forgives him) and I have a weird hunch that he might save Ginny at some point.

Draco will not magically turn into a better person but will still end up doing something brave or admirable.

Pettigrew will be eaten by Crookshanks while in rat form... ideally,
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What about my favorite character, Lupin?

I remember this being brought up after book 4, but isn't it a strange coincidence that Voldemort gives Pettigrew a silver hand? And silver bullets through the heart are the only thing that are capable of killing a werewolf.
For some reason I get the impression that Lupin ends up with Tonks, only to die later on at the hand (literally) of Pettigrew.

But of course I want Lupin to live.
I was really hoping that in HBP he would be more friendly toward Harry, acting as a replacement godfather for Sirius. I guess he didn't want to endanger him or something, but it would have been nice if Lupin stepped up to the plate and took a bigger role in Harry's life.
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