Kiki
New Yorker
great point Varitek! I would definetly go get the U2 album first and then the book. but yeah, all that excitement in one day......I think that would be the closest we'd ever get to being "kids" again.
PlaTheGreat said:
- I don't think Sirius is out of the picture. While I can accept that he's dead, there's a little loophole in the 5th book that makes it seem like Harry can talk to him again. Harry and Sirius share these mirrors, if I remember correctly, where they can talk to each other. I've always thought that Harry could take Sirius' mirror and chuck it through the veil. It's just a thought.
LemonMacPhisto said:Dumbledore sounds an awful lot like Obi-Wan in that last passage.
Varitek said:
I've read them all 3 times and starting Sunday or Monday I'm going to start the cycle again to be ready for book 7. Ideally I'd take that week off from work and read them all in 5 days (I did 5 in 5 days a few months before 6 came out) but that ain't gonna happen.
Utoo said:Easy stuff first:
- Ron & Hermione get together
- Harry & Ginny stay together
Random stuff:
- Curious to see if Harry's still safe at the Dursleys'. It was Dumbledore's spell that extended the blood protection to Harry's mother's family's home. Now that Dumbledore's dead, the spell should be broken...
Big Stuff
- Snape will be good in the end, somehow. I refuse to think that Dumbledore's final words consisted of him begging for his life. I think that Dumbledore had arranged with Snape long ago that at some point, it would be Snape who kills him. That, I believe, is part of why he trusted Snape so much--he knew that his life was in his hands. Could be evidenced by the bit in HBP where Hagrid tells the kids Dumbledore & Snape had a row, with Snape saying, "You assume too much---maybe I don't want to do it anymore." Could fit with not wanting to stay with the Order, or could fit with him not wanting to do what Dumbledore had set him to do---kill him. All the hatred with which Snape kills him kinda speaks against this..but maybe Snape hated that he had to do it and that's what came out. Who knows.
- Voldemort will die because he has Harry's blood in him. In Book 4, when Harry's telling Dumbledore the story of how Voldemort used Harry's blood to regain form, Rowling writes that Harry thinks he sees a look of triumph in Dumbledore's face for a split second. Since Harry's blood is imprinted with love, and that love is now coursing through Voldemort's veins, it's love that will somehow bring him down. It's been the theme throughout the whole series.
- I can't decide if Harry will die or not. I don't think he's a Horcrux, but I wouldn't place money against it. I just re-read HBP & there's something Dumbledore says in it that really makes me think that Harry isn't a Horcrux, but I can't remember what it is.
All in all, I expect it's going to be an AWESOME book!
Utoo said:
"He cannot kill you if you are already dead. Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine."
Kiki said:ok....someone un-confuse me here. How is it I'm missing this whole mirror thing?????? In The Goblet of Fire Sirius was talking to Harry through the fire in the Gryfindor tower common room. Are the mirrors completely left out in the American books??????????
PlaTheGreat said:
Did you ever read Order of the Phoenix???????????????????
PlaTheGreat said:Was it Bill that gets bitten by a werewolf? Or something equally bad?
I guess I should stay out of this thread until I've had a book six refresher course. I haven't read it since it came out.
PlaTheGreat said:
Speaking of father figures, Harry still has Hagrid, but he's always been rumored to be one of the guys that gets offed.
Saracene said:My predictions:
Harry - will not die in the final battle with Voldemort but I can see JKR write in his (natural) death in the epilogue. I also think that Harry is not the Horcrux and neither is his scar. Harry will end up with Ginny in the end.
Dumbledore - dead but not out of the picture. I think that Harry will get to speak to him at some point, although I'm not sure how.
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This is just a hunch but I think that Dumbledore's "he can't kill you if you're already dead" may refer to Dumbledore himself not being truly alive when Snape AK'd him. Which could be either because of the potion he'd drunk in the caves, or the fact that the Horcrux injury that left his hand blackened was much, much more serious than he let anyone bar Snape know, and left him living on a borrowed time.
Horcruxes - I think that Voldemort's snake, Nagini, is NOT a Horcrux and that the last Horcrux will turn out to be something entirely different and unexpected. I also wonder whether Luna's mother's death was Horcrux-related somehow.
R.A.B. is Regulus Black, Sirius' long-dead brother. The Slytherin locket which he retrieved from the cave is now with Kreacher, who might have even gone to the cave with Regulus.
Snape - is definitely on the good side and did what he did in the last book on Dumbledore's own request. I think also that Snape had feelings for Harry's mother back in the day, mostly likely involving unrequited, unexpressed love, and that these feelings played a crucial part in his turn to the good when he realised that Voldemort was going after Harry's parents. I think that Snape was the unnamed person briefly mentioned in the third book who warned Dumbledore about danger to Potters. He will most probably die in the end (but not before Harry forgives him) and I have a weird hunch that he might save Ginny at some point.
Draco will not magically turn into a better person but will still end up doing something brave or admirable.
Pettigrew will be eaten by Crookshanks while in rat form... ideally,
PlaTheGreat said:What about my favorite character, Lupin?
I remember this being brought up after book 4, but isn't it a strange coincidence that Voldemort gives Pettigrew a silver hand? And silver bullets through the heart are the only thing that are capable of killing a werewolf.
For some reason I get the impression that Lupin ends up with Tonks, only to die later on at the hand (literally) of Pettigrew.
But of course I want Lupin to live.
I was really hoping that in HBP he would be more friendly toward Harry, acting as a replacement godfather for Sirius. I guess he didn't want to endanger him or something, but it would have been nice if Lupin stepped up to the plate and took a bigger role in Harry's life.
So I started reading book 6 yesterday and I ran across some things I've completely forgotten. For example, Narcissa visiting Snape with Bellatrix in tow and begging for him to save Draco's life if he should fail.
So it can be presumed that Voldemort knew exactly when Dumbledore would die and that Draco must be the one to do it. It sounded a lot like Voldemort was listening to a prophecy and perhaps Dumbledore heard it too (if you believed that he had been asking Snape to kill him from long before) and was directly trying to intervene with the prophecy.
I've read some theories on the fan sites about Dumbeldore being an animagi of Fawkes - and (I only just started thinking about this halfway through my re-read, so I can't be certain in the first 3 books but I'll look out for it) I don't think we've ever actually seen Fawkes and Dumbeldore together. So maybe he "died" but he's really regenerative like a Phoenix? But then, I think that's too much to hope for.
PlaTheGreat said:
I was in this camp for a long time too. I don't think he is Fawkes because they have been together in multiple scenes all over the books (book 2 after the Chamber of Secrets battle, book 5, Dumbledore grabs the tail of Fawkes and vanishes from the room).
Something has to be said about the way Dumbledore is killed, too. Every time the Avada Kedavra is used, the victim falls over, dead. Dumbledore is described as being hit, then flying up in the air (almost suspended) and then moving backward over the rooftop to the ground below. If he was already cowering down, wouldn't he have just flopped over?
If Dumbledore isn't dead, then it's highly likely that Snape merely stunned him and he's waiting in the white tomb to be awakened again.
I just can't accept the fact that Snape is evil, basically.
PlaTheGreat said:Something has to be said about the way Dumbledore is killed, too. Every time the Avada Kedavra is used, the victim falls over, dead. Dumbledore is described as being hit, then flying up in the air (almost suspended) and then moving backward over the rooftop to the ground below. If he was already cowering down, wouldn't he have just flopped over?