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Old 10-01-2005, 05:32 PM   #31
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Listening to Pull/Pulk Revolving Doors right now....

what is this??? alien music?
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There are barn doors. And there are revolving doors.

Yes, quite possibly alien music.
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Well Zoot, we're waiting on your first impression of Amnesiac.

Gotta love how this forum has turned into all Radiohead threads.
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Re: Hail To The Thief is a very disappointing Radiohead album

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[B]I bought this album last Saturday, and I still think it's the worst album they've ever made. Then again I don't own Pablo Honey, but You is awesome, so it must be better already.
You bought the album LAST SATURDAY and are prepared to dismiss it? Slightly premature methinks.
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Old 10-01-2005, 08:09 PM   #35
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good point

hail to the thief...ah, superb album. 14 tracks, quite a lot for Radiohead...love it from start to finish! The LA version of 'I Will' NEARLY comes close to the original!
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Old 10-01-2005, 08:37 PM   #36
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There is more genius contained on this album than any other in the last 5 years, regardless of whether or not it's cohesive. It's not often that you can put on headphones and be totally transported to all these different soundscapes in an hour's time. It's a fucking PRIVILEGE to listen to this album.

You should all be licking the shit off their shoes.



ahahah talk about deluded...classic fanboy drivel.
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:46 AM   #37
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yeah, I hate it when so many people are fawning over radiohead.
it makes me NOT want to listen to them out of spite and I LOVE them

calm down...take it easy
enjoy the music and stop alan cumming all over their faces
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Old 10-02-2005, 01:12 AM   #38
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ahahah talk about deluded...classic fanboy drivel.

I've heard most of Radiohead's stuff over my summer-long rookie blitz...It's ALL fucking amazing. I completely agree with the soundscape thing lazarus mentions; when I play their stuff on my mp3 player while walking, I feel I could be in the middle of a video; I notice the trees and birds more, cracks in the pavement...little things, corny as that sounds!

We read all the time about these so-called 'near-death' experiences. In my mind, or ears, the trip along the way to that 'light at the end of the tunnel' would have Radiohead as the soundtrack.

By default, this makes U2 the official sound of heaven...

Hell?
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There is more genius contained on this album than any other in the last 5 years, regardless of whether or not it's cohesive. It's not often that you can put on headphones and be totally transported to all these different soundscapes in an hour's time. It's a fucking PRIVILEGE to listen to this album.

You should all be licking the shit off their shoes.
im sorry, i love radiohead and will throw the "genius" label at them all day, but i can't condone this kind of sycophancy that seems to infect many of their fans and most of the mainstream music press.

httt is a substandard radiohead album. yes, a below standard radiohead album is better than most band's best, but the fact remains. much of the songwriting is uninspired, it breaks very little ground musically, and the production is pretty awful overall. sure, it's a good album, but radiohead has the burden of their past masterpieces to live up to. do they owe us a great album? hell no, they don't owe us anything. but that doesn't mean we can't expect them to be great when we know what they are capable of.
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sycophant? you have to be kidding me. radiohead take themselves too seriously to even be one of my top favorite bands. I'd take the Super Furry Animals over them any day, and they're just as experimental. you want sycophants just check out any of the interference discussions about U2, where people proudly lick up anything and act like children when their objectivity is questioned.

radiohead may not be kicking a hole through the envelope but they're still nudging it. besides, any further experimentation and they'd disappear up their own assholes. but I still say they are the most vital band in the business, and they're doing what Bono promised to so long ago--abusing their position and fucking up the mainstream. they're the resident capital-A artists, for good or bad, and they still deserve respect for that.

your declaration of "substandard radiohead album" is about as cliche as anyone trumpeting the band's genius. shit, even the assholes over at Pitchfork Media didn't turn hater on HTTT (I'd suggest reading that review for some balanced and thoughtful perspective). What it comes down to is that despite the poor ebb and flow of the tracklisting, there is a treasure trove of eclectic choices on this record. not many bands give you that much to choose from in a year's worth of work.

"songwriting uninspired" -- what the hell do you base that on? I'd say the state of the world and getting the shit kicked out of you by locals is pretty inspiring in terms of material. "breaks very little ground musically". How far away from rock and roll are these guys supposed to get? They aren't Brian Eno. They're a band. They couldn't function with 4 guys hunched over keyboards. Just because they scaled it back a bit doesn't mean it's any less creative, or that they're running in place. "production pretty awful overall" -- based on what, exactly? same producer. same recording process. I don't know what you're hearing but it doesn't sound bad to me.

this is all about taste, but whenever I hear radiohead "fans" bitching about HTTT I always think bitter Kid A lover who can't get past the fact that those out-of-left-field magical mindfuck days are over. These are the same people who would have been disappointed with Abbey Road. Whatever.
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I havnt read all of the replys to this thread, but i will start my response by stating that i think 'Pablo honey' and 'The Bends' are just warm-up albums......i dont need to defend my opinion of 'Pablo' ( 3 maybe 4 good songs) but it always amazes me how wrapped up in 'The Bends' everybody is. I think it contains some stunning songs, but is not consistent as an album.
I dont think they have really set a foot wrong since! OK and KId A are my faves closly followed by "Hail" which contains everything that is good about the band.......but hey my current fave is 'Com Lag' (Japan only compilation) of B-sides and remixes........
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hmmm.

i have mixed opinions on this album. i think it's really good, compared to almost anything else out there.

however, i think the production SUCKS. absolutely terrible.

2+2=5 is way, WAY too quite. the paying attention part is really good, but after that nigel sucked all the life out of the song. listen to this song live...that's how it deserves to be heard.

sit down is good.

sail to the moon is nice

backdrifts is an amazing song. again though, the production is SHIT. the absolutely disgusting guitars that appear in a live setting make this song unreal.

go to sleep...read what i said about backdrifts. another live highlight.

where i end...meh. nothing too great.

we suck...yes, it really blows ass.

i will...beautiful.

there there...perhaps a top five radiohead song of all time. again the production is iffy at best. the drums should be far more prominent.

punch up...quite pointless. really catchy hook that AGAIN SURPRISE SURPRISE is totally muddled by nigel. idiot.

myxamotosis...unique, unlike any other radiohead song which gets points.

scatterbrain...a song that goes nowhere...slowly.

wolf at the door...beautiful song. production again could have been SO much better.
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sycophant? you have to be kidding me.
sorry, i tend to think brainwashed fan when i hear such "you're not worthy-isms" as coercing me to lick excrement from their collective boots

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your declaration of "substandard radiohead album" is about as cliche as anyone trumpeting the band's genius.
how so? barring pablo honey, i think httt is radiohead's worst album. given the standard set by the other albums, httt qualifies as substandard.

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"songwriting uninspired" -- what the hell do you base that on?
"we suck young blood"? that's the sound of tired songwriting to me. "scatterbrain" isn't even worthy of being a bends-era b-side. "punch up"? to reiterate a repeated point, goes nowhere. does a song have to "go somewhere"? no, but i'd point to a song like "in limbo" as one that does not go "somewhere" in the traditional sense, but it sounds amazing. the songs on httt are boring, simply put. lyrics? "the rain drops" <repeat 42 times> fine, words were never really thom's strong point, but come on.


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"breaks very little ground musically". How far away from rock and roll are these guys supposed to get? They aren't Brian Eno. They're a band. They couldn't function with 4 guys hunched over keyboards.
fair enough, and to sound like a total cliche, that's the burden of genius. musically, the progression from bends->okc->kid a is absolutely amazing. so to hear radiohead do an album that just sounds like them repeating themselves is a disappointment. overall httt is a good album, but i personally expect more. i think they still have it in them to do something better than good. that's more than i can say about a lot of bands. hell, i'd love it if u2 could make an album now that was just "good", but i don't think they can (or want to, might hurt sales)

4 guys hunched over keyboards? well, they've already almost totally forsaken guitars and tend to play bizarre instruments with difficult to pronounce names. who's to say what they can and can't do? i think the reason i (and others) love radiohead is that they have completely redefined the boundaries of a traditional "rock" band


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"production pretty awful overall" -- based on what, exactly? same producer. same recording process. I don't know what you're hearing but it doesn't sound bad to me.
have you heard these songs live? album can't even capture a fraction of the intensity of 2+2=5 live. zoomerang sums it up nicely in his/her comments above.

what's funny is that im not even in the kid a cult, i actually prefer "rock" radiohead, okc is my favourite album followed by the bends. there's a lot in kid a that blows my mind, but overall it is dragged down by some experiments that just fail. still, i appreciate it as an artistic progression and recognize radiohead has no desire to rewrite the bends or okc. just about everything on httt feels like stuff they've done before, i don't find it that artistically adventurous. i'd rather see them try something different and fall flat on their face than just make a "good" album.
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I don't think HTTT is ALL disappointing. Some of it is disappointing, but I think the album is treated a little unfairly by fans on the whole. Every track on HTTT has its merits, in my view. Sure, the only really "unique" songs (in terms of Radiohead) are A Wolf At The Door and Myxomatosis, but that doesn't stop it from being a good album.

2+2=5 | 4.5/5
Sit Down, Stand Up | 4/5
Sail To The Moon | 4/5
Backdrifts | 3.5/5 (music DEEP in the background could have been louder...)
Go To Sleep | 4.5/5
Where I End And You Begin | 4/5 (most of that ranking comes from the bass/drums - one of my favourite rhythm pieces)
We Suck Young Blood | 2/5 (I HATE THE CLAPPING)
The Gloaming | 3.5/5 (better live)
There There | 5/5 (WE ARE ACCIDENTS WAITING TO HAPPEN)
I Will | 4/5
A Punch Up At A Wedding | 4/5
Myxomatosis | 5/5 (stacatto is good)
Scatterbrain | 3/5 (a bit boring)
A Wolf At The Door | 10/5
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they're doing what Bono promised to so long ago--abusing their position and fucking up the mainstream.
Sorry, I'm going to be the U2 sychophant and take umbrage with that statement. Radiohead has never really had a truly mainstream-oriented fanbase to fuck up and abuse. U2's mainstream credentials became huge in the late '80's. RH has never come close to those kind of mainstream credentials.

The way U2 alienated Jack and Jill '80's fan with their '90's output was impressive. It's also impressive how U2 are alienating Jack and Jill '90's fan with their '00's output. Instead of abusing their position as a mainstream act, they're now abusing their position as an alternative/adventurous act. I don't see how one is more/less risky than the other. They're still abusing a segment of their audience, just a different segment.

Radiohead is alot of things, but they don't come close to partitioning their audience the way U2 does theirs. I can't wait for RH to abuse their position as an alternative/adventurous act the way U2 has done this decade. All the crying in here would be priceless.

The thing I want most from the next RH album is for them to REALLY abuse us all. Not by delivering another sonically creative piece of art full of existential angst, but by not being deterred by their current audience's worst fears and proving that they can be great in that kind of a fashion, also. I hope they have the guts of a U2 to really be abusive because I'm starting to get bored with the RH thing.
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